Sounds like he did
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Official 2025 Fall Camp Thread
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Well, you can't teach desire. Maybe he does have it, Idk? That doesn't sound like it.
Must resist making "desire" joke.
Which one?
The one rolling around my brain about him having three kids.
He has been buckling down. 3 kids man
I'm not worried yet. Right now, I'm just seeing it as a motivation tactic to help him reach his potential. As a team culture thing, it's also a big deal if your most talented players are also your hardest workers (serious negative if they're not and are allowed to coast).
FIFY
If Oatis had never shown up here, I’d still be confident this unit would be top 3, potential to be the top, d line in the conference. What do you even mean?
We are bad last year against run first teams with mobile qb. We lost our best run D LBs and DL (Chidozie). None of the existing guys (including 88 and 92) showed that they can control LOS against those teams. The guy we added to replace Chidozie is possibly a bust.
So yes, I am serious. The Pass rush unit is stacked, but I will always have concern in run D until they show me the returning guys are improved that much and the new LB groups can be as effective as NHG. Fortunately, we don't need to wait long to see if that's the case. The first game vs GT will tell us a lot.
Last year, we were probably top 1 when it comes to pass D. top 3 in Run D? Not sure where do you get that feeling.
GRM
Go Buffs/93' Grad
I think it is way too early to call Oatis a bust without the coaches saying so. Every Buff deserves the chance to show us what he can do. I agree with the others, if Oatis in not the #1, I still think we have talent on defense and a great coordinator; so too early to raise serious concerns.
Although we had some trouble with running QBs those were not the source of our losses: Corn--terrible 1st half O, but we won the 2nd half-D stiffened; KSU, their NFL RB was the real problem and AJ beat us with a 50 yard bomb late in the game; and Kansas, it was not Daniels running, rather their RBs (Neal was drafted) and overall game-plan. I throw out the BYU game b/c we were not motivated playing our sister.
NSDU (1st game of season w/ new DC and he adjusted); Baylor we pulled it out; Central Florida we shut him down; as we did against Texas Tech and Utah (Sims?).
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None of the guys we lost to transfers/NFL had irreplaceable production. The edges I think will even be more productive this year because of the depth and ability to stay fresh with rotations. Interior should be set with Barnes, McNeil, and Thomas. French and Hughes are significantly more athletic than NHG and Bentley. They will be all over the backfield for TFLs. It should be nasty.
We were 8th in the Big 12 last year in total run defense and tied for 5th in avg YPC in the Big 12.
Weren't we also one of the top run defenses in the Big 12 against RBs (meaning excluding QB runs)? I'd argue what hurt us the most against QB runs was the lack of athleticism at LB.
GRM
Go Buffs/93' Grad
I just hope the ILBs stay healthy, or we have a pleasant surprise if one of them gets hurt.
GRM
Go Buffs/93' Grad
It was also adjusting to the new D, and shuffling some players around. We had more trouble early in the season than late.
CU had 5 games last year where they gave up fewer than 100 yards rushing to RBs, and another 4 where they gave up 135 or less. Outlier games of Kansas State, where Giddens put up 182 by himself, TTU where Tahj Brooks put up 137 by himself, and Kansas, where Devin Neal dropped 207 by himself.
NHG and Chidozie is not irreplaceable, but I need at least one game to see that we have guys to replace them.
They had three bad games where the DL got overwhelmed. I would also say that the entire thing hinged on Nwankwo being healthy and playing, but there just wasn't much behind him. I think between Barnes (340), McNeill (300), Carter (280), Thomas (300), Coleman (300) and Oatis (325), they are significantly deeper than they were last year and that doesn't include Davis Swain, who is up to 290+ and moved to the inside, or Chris Hudson who is 300+ and a Freshman.
Also, we won't know the fully affect until we see it play out, but the change to Swazey in the S&C program has seemingly made a pretty big difference. I don't think it's a stretch to assume/expect returning guys like Barnes, McNeill, Carter and Thomas to all be bigger and stronger than they were a year ago. They all have SEC talent and pedigree and the expectation is that they have developed over the past couple of years into those kind of players.
Two of those games had legitimate run threats at QB, with TTU feeding Brooks 100 times.
Running QB's are always tough to defend, but as some have pointed out , we should be much better because of the speed of our ILB's
Avery Johnson was a non-factor as a runner in the KSU game, but Daniels tore us up.
Games where QB runs hurt us the most - NDSU (86 yards), Baylor (82), UCF (76) and KU (72). Those are net rushing yards so they include negative yardage on sacks.
I just don't really task our IDL as primary or even secondary QB run defenders, unless it's designed QB Iso or Power. Option game and scrambles are almost entirely on the EDGE and LB groups with the Secondary as last defense. We played so much man coverage last year and ultimately had breakdowns and allowed QBs to scramble at times.
This may have been the most important thing that Prime brought with him, even more that his ability to bring in talent.
Since into the Hawkins era and all the way through Dorrell the most talented players on the team knew that they could slack and still were going to play. We had our QB at frat parties, starters showing up late for practice, dogging it in practice, and not doing their film/study work and still playing. There were exceptions but the culture was not one of high expectations.
Consistent with what Prime has done since getting here if Oatis or anyone else doesn't want to do the work they won't play and eventually they won't be here, doesn't matter how many stars they had in their recruiting rankings.
It doesn't happen often but sometimes kids will mature, will catch on to the culture and come closer to their potential. If the guy isn't a negative otherwise and he isn't taking up space that a better option could use no real loss in giving him the opportunity.
This is exactly why I have concern this year. Barnes and McNeill were not as effective against run last year. I had high hope in Oatis but looks like he might be a bust. So if you want to say our run D will be improved this year, that means
1. Either the returning DL have significant improvement, or
2. Other newcomers are awesome against run (e.g. Lightfoot)
Keep in mind that even if Barnes and McNeillI are good, all the other guys are still unknown at this point. Last year's version of Carter and Thomas were JAG to me. I don't see much from Coleman and Lightfoot from the video yet. BDS is not strong enough for 1 tech. Chris Hudson was injured a while ago, don't know if he is recovered yet.
Depth is only useful if you can play. I am not saying that can not be true, I just have to see it to believe it.
CitizenKane
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Not remotely worried right now. If he doesn’t show out in scrimmages or games then maybe. But that all depends on how the depth plays and there is a LOT more depth than we are used to. I actually am excited to hear that Seaton got in his face. Now the question is did he respond.
