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Official 2025 Fall Camp Thread

BuffLuke80 said:
Same as the LeBron Jordan debate and plenty of other sports. As far as basketball, Jordan is the best I've seen. That is, in my lifetime. In football, it isn't much different. I wasn't alive when Jim Brown was doing his thing, saw LT play some and he was unbelievable. Mainly saw his highlights because I was pretty young. Other sports, same thing.
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It is similar, hadn’t ever thought about Rice as the best player ever. Positions are so different that is a challenging comparison. That said he is the best WR ever and it isn’t all that close. He did everything one could ask a WR to do and he did it all at a hall of fame level on every play. Moss hated to block, hated to go over the middle, and was notorious for taking plays, games or entire seasons off. Moss was great when he wanted to be. Rice was just great.
 
Buffnik said:
SF Moss, old and not even a full time starter, still averaged over 15 yards per reception. But even on that, Rice still chalked up Y/R seasons beyond anything we've ever seen. And a lot of his career was in an era when rules weren't as pass offense friendly (and offenses still used a fullback).

To me, the conversation will always go, "After Jerry Rice...." I actually consider Rice to be the greatest football player who ever lived, not just WR.
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Moss was an absolute freak athlete, could just dominate guys even when they knew what he was going to do they couldn't stop him from doing it.

That said as a WR was there ever a player who destroyed people with his technique and his football mind like Rice. He wasn't that fast, wasn't that big, wasn't outstandingly quick, and yet he was always open and always caught the ball, especially when it mattered.

Hard to discount the impact that Rice had on his teams always winning games including multiple super bowls. The more important the game it seemed the more signifcant the plays Rice delivered.

And keep in mind that as great as Rice's stats were he played on teams that were built on spreading the ball around. It isn't as if he was getting the ball thrown his way every play.
 
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