He’s one of the most sacked QBs in college football history. Alabama, for example, is undefeated if it’s him and not Milroe.
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Official Colorado vs. Wazzu Game Thread 11/17/23
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My point was being a bad player on a team that will be home for the holidays is less fun than being a bad player on a team that is going bowling.
I am a tad salty after watching WSU boat race the Buffs.
I couldn't give 2 ****s and a popsicle stick about next week...im worried it could be a 12 month injury
I agree the team is better. The OL is way worse, and that is really hard to fathom. I am a little more old school. If you are going to run your mouth, you better back it up. A better team, yes, but a team with big personalities, big mouths and big a total in the L column.
It's not just the sacks, it's the nature of the sacks.
Yes he holds the ball to long, yes he needs (or the coaches need to emphasize) outlet receivers instead of going for the big gain every time.
He also though has far to many times when it seems like the pass rushers get to his drop point before him, they aren't rushing the passer, they are practicing starts for a track meet as some big CU offensive lineman is standing there asking.
We don't use the running game to slow down the pass rush, we don't use quick release patterns.
Shedeur like all college QBs has a lot to learn still but he needs some help.
That complete disconnect between Prime and the coaches has been there every game after TCULast night was brutal.
Even with CP being sick - the flu is no joke, probably amplified by traveling and being in the cold humid air too. There just seems to be a complete disconnect between him and the other coaches. Almost like many know that their days are numbered, and CP is making mental notes for what is needed/wanted for next season.
The OL as a unit is complete garbage. Staff, players, scheme…all garbage compared to what is needed at this level to be competitive. BoB probably needs to coach HS or go into sled sales…
The QB play has fallen off of the cliff. Week 1, Shedeur was poised and doing things that haven’t been seen at CU for the QB position for 20 years or longer. Quick/great decisions, great pre-snap reads. Just all around clutch playing. Since 2H of the Stanford game, that has faded and diminished into what we’ve seen in 2021 and 2022. Which is correlated to trash overall the Oline overall, and horrendous play calling.
The Dline…that is a confusing bunch. Way undersized. They could be stronger, faster, more athletic than last year’s bunch, but being taken out of the equation more often than not tells us that they aren’t up to snuff at this level. Not sure if Coach Sal is to blame? The edges are alright, JD seems to get his nose into the mix often enough, but I feel like Carson Wells did more at his heights of productive playing.
The LB’s aren’t doing much of anything. Sadly but I felt more productivity out of guys like JVD and Gamboa than what this position group is giving. Moving Woods in to a LB role shows that this position was an overall miss with what was brought in…and the befuddlement of whatever Mitchell had/has going on. At the end of the day, he was brought in way late, and is in his last year. He shows that he has some flashes of being a menace out there. Just let him play.
It seems like Shilo has not been as Shilo since getting a BS targeting ejection at UCLA. Also, maybe Prime should be more hands on with that secondary group. Having two of the top CB’s in their respective classes, one is like a bright green avocado out there 6-7/10 plays, and is susceptible to the opposing match getting in his head. The other has played the most snaps in CFB, even with missing 3.5 games, and it’s not even close…and he is still probably playing with residual rust and pain, that is being added to with each play he makes because he is doing what he can to carry this team…much like Shedeur was doing up through UCLA
I haven’t been watching any of the insider videos on YouTube the last couple weeks, but from what is shown on game day, it seems like the total team chemistry is all but gone. Coaches are quiet, players aren’t lifting/building each other up. A complete turnaround from the Buffs against the nation feeling from late summer into the season.
It all boils down to preparation, focus, and having the players to execute what the coaching staff implements. Next year, the Buffs either need to have the stingiest defense ever to thwart off BigXII offensive attacks, or have a faster, more explosive offense than the other teams.
An OC with a system that compliments Shedeur and possibly Hill or Underwood (). If Lewis isn’t the guy…O’Neil will likely move on. I’m on the fence about Kelly. His past is suspect as a DC, but his recruiting is great, and he seems to have an understanding of what CP expects. His adjustments are a F-, especially any routes that go under coverage in the middle…and the adjustments to stop gashing runs, yuck.
couldn't tackle, couldn't block, couldn't execute...
worst loss of the year so far by far. oregon is great and did what great teams do. stanford was one of those weird college games that happens sometimes. this was different and not in a good way.
it is going to take one heck of a week to not get destroyed in utah.
worst loss of the year so far by far. oregon is great and did what great teams do. stanford was one of those weird college games that happens sometimes. this was different and not in a good way.
it is going to take one heck of a week to not get destroyed in utah.
Could be lying but prime said in the postgame that Travis was fine.
I will be on DraftKings the instant they release next week's spread. Easy money. Utah will not be kind and this team has quit.
Big money is the best way to ease Big Hurt.
He’s also the Heisman winner at Washington, Oregon, Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc.
He isn’t perfect. He probably holds the ball too long, but a lot of that is because he is trying to make a play knowing this team has no shot if he doesn’t. He’s also dealing with the mental aspect of being sacked every other drop back. His receivers are also mid compared to the top programs and fail to get separation. His OC and playcallers are also below average compared to top programs.
From UCLA on whoever the OC was/is should've turned the offense into a quick hit passing scheme. We did it in brief spurts and it was no coincidence that SS2 was more comfortable and we were more successful. But for some reason we just stopped.
He’d have Heisman convo numbers at Colorado if the OL was mid. If he were in a top tier program with elite players and Prime were still the coach, people here would be bitching about how Prime wasn’t able to get his All-American son to play for CU.
Told my husband this morning that we will NOT plan our Thanksgiving Saturday around this game. He immediately agreed.
We will be at the basketball game that Sunday, though.
We will be at the basketball game that Sunday, though.
i didn't like the +4 so i skipped this week-- the spread ought to be massive for next week. i might take the points if there are enough of them.
Anything below 29.5 and I'm on it. I'm betting Staub starts and we go down 48-10 or so.
Fair or not, individualism is kind of a mentality that Prime exudes. From day one, everybody had to “earn their number”… well everyone except 2, 12, and 21 (and IMO, 1).
It’s also part of what’s wrong with building an entire roster full of portal guys. Zero leadership, nobody with ties to the program, nobody has “Colorado pride”, no attempt to instill a sense of program pride with fight song or program traditions. It was kind of the P5 version of Last Chance U without the established coaching and culture that made a program good.
The **** talking and hype with YouTube channels also didn’t help. Much of that will calm down this off-season, IMO, and I think it’s will be more of a quiet confidence and business like approach.
Some of the **** they got and are getting they brought upon themselves. They only have themselves to blame and they’re the only ones who can fix it either by not giving people ammo or not giving them opportunities to use the ammo you gave them. Some things just don’t work when you’re 1-7 in your last eight and don’t back things up on the field.
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I was talking about the kids who transferred out
Prime had the confidence and swagger to talk all the **** as a player, but he also had the talent and ability to back it up. He and this team have the confidence and swagger that’s put the Alabama/Georgia/Michigan target on their backs, with the Colorado talent to back it up.
this loss illustrates i think a point that a number of other coaches and pundits were making before the season. good teams have a core of experienced returning vets who know the scheme and enforce the culture and standard. we have legit stars and leaders but we do not appear to have built out that core.
we need to keep our returners that can play, build a core.. and, we have to recruit at the high school level better too--we have to build pipelines and continuity in the culture.
this is not the nfl where pretty much every guy is an elite worker in addition to skills.
hero ball got us further than we could have hope this year. now we need to shift to program building over several seasons. guys like travis and shadeur will put us in a position to beat anyone on any given week but the machine has to be built from the ground up.
we need to keep our returners that can play, build a core.. and, we have to recruit at the high school level better too--we have to build pipelines and continuity in the culture.
this is not the nfl where pretty much every guy is an elite worker in addition to skills.
hero ball got us further than we could have hope this year. now we need to shift to program building over several seasons. guys like travis and shadeur will put us in a position to beat anyone on any given week but the machine has to be built from the ground up.
I agree completely. SS2 is surrounded by very sub par teammates (not just on the OL) and coaches. His ball handling needs to improve and he has to get through his progressions faster, but those things can be tweaked pretty quickly at the next level with competent coaching IMO. The thing I really like about him is his long ball accuracy. I think that’s a gift that he just has and it’s the ticket that should keep him in the first round of the draft.
Woods travelled and had his gear ready to go. Flu bug made him a last scratch?
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Yep. I agree.
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I would love to see what the next guy will do with CU since this might not work. Let's give you a limited recruiting map, a transfer portal where you are more likely to lose your good players than gain, and let's put that on the next guy.
Yep, let's do it. Prime is bad, get someone better. Should be easy
For a fanbase that literally had the worst team in the last 20 seasons, you guys are talking like you had a bowl eligible last year and Prime brought this team down.
This might not work, then find someone better.
Shedeur has elite physical traits and the composure of a 10 year elite NFL vet. His decision making (holding the ball, not throwing it away, game management) needs work, but would be greatly masked with better talent around him.
Does Sanders have the patience for that? Building the machine probably is a 3-4 year process.
As the somewhat tired cliche in business goes “don’t overpromise and underdeliver.”