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Official CU @ Oregon State Thread - 10/14 2 PM MT on P12-Network
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serial gymnast harasser
Cool stats but they are completely irrelevant to the point.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
No they aren't. Oregon's defense has improved under Leavitt while CU's has gotten worse under Eliot. Nothing in Eliot's history tells me he can oversee a competent defense, you can't say the same about Leavitt. I know you're butt hurt about JL leaving but you've gone way overboard with this narrative about him being an overrated coach.
You watch Oregon yesterday? Saying the defense got worse this year is like saying the sky is blue, no ****. Everyone said it was going to be rough defensively this year.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Did you watch Oregon last year? They gave up 52 to Stanford at home so yesterday was actually a minor improvement.
Lol Oregon has “improved” to giving up 41 ppg in Pac 12 play. When you’re the worst defense in FBS last year, there’s no place to go but up. When you’re one of the top 20 defenses in FBS and lose 8 starters to the NFL, there’s a great chance, you’re going to drop. So again, nice stats, but completely irrelevant.
Btw, I haven’t been leading any kind of narrative that Leavitt is overrated. I’ve given him credit where it’s due, but everybody is crying about Eliot, and pumping up Leavitt, like Leavitt would have this patchwork, under talented defense playing at a high level. It’s laughable.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
So both teams are right where they should be I guess. I never claimed Oregon's defense was good, just that they were improved...which they are. You just seem to go out of your way to criticize what Leavitt has done with an Oregon defense that was expected to be bad as some defense of Eliot which is strange to me. Personally I trust a coach like Leavitt long term since he has a proven track record over a guy like Eliot who has none, but maybe he'll prove me wrong.
Your argument of improvement in Eugene is comparing the 52 points they gave up to stanford last year, vs the 49 they gave up this year
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Just funny how you use that Stanford game as an indictment of Leavitt. How about the 70 they gave up at home to Washington last year? How about they are giving up fewer yards/game than CU, are 2nd in the league in rushing defense, 2nd in the league on 3rd down, and lead the conference in sacks?Your argument of improvement in Eugene is comparing the 52 points they gave up to stanford last year, vs the 49 they gave up this year
Definitely thought it’d be better than it has been as I thought Javier, Mulumba, Umu, Falo, DMac, and Jackson would create a pretty solid DL rotation. Unfortunately, most didn’t have the foresight that Falo and Umu wouldn’t play a snap or that DMac would be more of a liability than an asset. Those guys playing at all or at the expected level during the offseason would be making a difference right now.
Sykobuff
Well-Known Member
OsideBuff
Dimwitted ****
errr..CU has the 97th ranked team in total defense....over 6 yards per play.....Oregon is number 44...under 5 yards per play... Oregon ranked #22 in rush defense..3.2 ypc.....Buffs #97 with over 5 ypc...Next....
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You used the Stanford game as the benchmark for improvement, not me. Again, cool stats with the yards. Unfortunately they aren’t relevant. Keep going, if it makes you feel better about ripping Eliot, though.
Didn’t we have a thread about this and the majority of votes were in the 50’s and 60’s in scoring defense?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Giving up 49 on the road > giving up 52 at home.
Serious question, if you could trade Eliot for Leavitt right now would you?
Maybe. It points to an extreme lack of depth though. Losing Umu is really THAT big? Not buying it that he was fortifying the depth in the front three and now it is chaos.
McCartney and Falo, that makes more sense why we miss both (McCartney at his best and Falo just in general). The depth has always been shaky.
Injuries and suspensions do not explain away all of even most of the issues IMO. There is not a "glue guy" in the secondary who seems to thrive in the chaos like both Awuzie and Thompson did last year. Just seems a lack of cohesion/communication in general.
Would you trade CU’s defensive personnel straight up for Oregon’s?
50s and low 60s. It would take some good efforts down the stretch to land there.
Yeah and we also lost 3 starters/contributors after that so I don’t think it’s that far of a stretch. They should definitely be playing better than they are but some people has too high of expectations.
I’m in complete agreement about the talent and depth, but if we’re talking offseason narrative, there are multiple guys not on the team or playing at the level we thought they would. Our CB depth with Julmisse off the team also took a big hit. That’s 3 guys who were supposed to either start or be major contributors who never saw a snap. It makes a pretty big difference.
OsideBuff
Dimwitted ****
If your offense sucks..D is on the field more....opponents get more opportunities. Buffs give up 80 to Arizona if we don't control the ball on long drives...next.
Wasn't there a lot of back and forth about losing Julmisse not being a big deal? In fact, there were a fair amount of "Udoffia was probably going to start anyway" posts here and elsewhere.
I just think there is some revisionism happening all of a sudden.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I have no idea, I don't follow Oregon's roster that closely. I would trade coaches in a heartbeat and if we agree on that then I don't understand what this argument is even about.
Schek's standard argument to anyone frustrated with what appears to have been a obvious downgrade at the DC position is that "Oregon's defense sucks this year", but unless you really like Eliot more thank Leavitt, I don't see why that matters.
That doesn’t make the Udoffia starting narrative false and nobody said Julmisse wouldn’t have been a factor. Would Julmisse be better than Wigley as the 3rd CB? I would say yes.