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Official CU vs Houston game thread - 9/12/25

Google told me this, so I considered him a 5. But whatever. Prime is recruiting at a level that CU couldn't sniff at for decades.

Julian Lewis is considered a five-star recruit by most major recruiting services, including ESPN and Rivals, who ranked him as one of the top players in the Class of 2025. However, the 247Sports Composite listed him as a four-star prospect. He is the starting quarterback for the Colorado Buffaloes.
Recruiting Rankings
ESPN: Ranked as the No. 2 player and quarterback in the country.
Rivals: Ranked as the No. 6 player and No. 3 quarterback in the class.
247Sports Composite: Listed as a four-star prospect and the No. 36 player in the country.
 
If we are going to be honest, Prime is a bad coach who overly excels as developing talent, recruiting, and motivating but is a horrendous strategist, generationally bad tactician, and so so as an architect who operates as a CEO but not a good one. He's probably the worst coach on staff with Hart who I think maybe a better motivator and recruiter than Prime while being worse at the other things Prime is bad at.

The thing is, Prime has three things no one else has, not even Nick Saban

1. He has his own recruiting map. He has the ability to have a parent or kid say, you wanna go to CU because of Prime. It's a recruiting card only Prime has and it has nothing to do with his recruiting skill.

2. He has his own media company which feeds the beast. This generates attention and revenue. Plus good storylines.

3. He has the media presence of LeBron James. Meaning, he will be a topic of your favorite talk show good, bad, or ugly. This gives him the TBS edge that the Atlanta Braves had in the 90s as America's team.

Those 3 things is why even as a bad coach, even Alabama would be highly interested in Prime and while Colorado sees him as critical to the brand.

I don't know how you really improve a bad coach like this. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. Prime is an above average recruiter. He's nowhere close to Mel Tucker. Not even in the same area code. But 1, 2, and 3 put him in his own recruiting category known as Coach Prime.

Hes a tremendous talent developer. Most elite guys know this better than others so it's no shock, Prime is better at this than most coaches maybe all college coaches since Nick retired. I think this is his best skill. If you want to get to the NFL, no lie, he will get you there and well prepped. I think he rivals Coach Cal at this skill. This isn't all that valuable to winning games but this matters A LOT to players. Probably the most.

I think he's a master motivator. Part of being one is what you accomplished previously and how can you inspire. I think he's elite at this as well. I just don't think it's as good as say Brent Key or Dan Lanning but it's elite.

We all know his strategist ability is bottom tier.

He is even worse at an tactician.

He's a so so architect because he's overly elite in one area and overly bad in the other.

Most coaches don't really suck at multiple areas. Even guys like Pat who are underwhelming as HCs and OCs are good at many things and element of being a coach.

I think Prime like Hart can improve but coaching is not like Basketball. It takes many years to get better and some guys just are way better natural coaches than others like Nick Saban or Bill Bellicheck like playing football.

Honestly, if you take away 1, 2, and 3, Prime might be one of CUs worse coaches of all time. Dorrell from my scout is a clearly better coach than Prime and Mel was significantly better. I do think Prime like Hart has a lot of potential but they gotta lock in and grow at areas like tactician and strategist but I don't know if Hart has enough time left. Hart is not Flea or the others. If he's fired, it's straight to the HBCUs. He's not respected, honestly. But 1, 2, 3 is why Alabama will check in with Prime if their job is open so Prime has a different value than all others.

I know ya'll will hate me for this but I don't think Pat is a bad coach. I think hes a decent coach. I just think he's just not very good at nothing and all college coaches tend to be excellent or elite at something like Rob for example. Even Brett is an elite tactician. Hart for his severe flaws is a master motivator. When you think of Pat, he's standard and that's not good enough. The reason why he gets things is he does everything well and gets fired because what are you good at? That's Pat.

I think Helow is the best on the staff. Rob 2nd. Sapp is better than we think, Faulk is a damn good coach, he could actually be a HC like Eddie George and be successful. Eddie was a better coach at Tennessee State than Prime was at JSU. I think Marshall and Brett got legit HC potential. Jason is mid and always been mid to me but he knows how to develop talent at a high level. That's where he's special but his coaching is mid.

I've been telling ya'll Coach Pollock is underrated. I think he could shock people. He's the best at talent developer mix with tactician that we have. Coach Mathis is decent. Always been decent. I did think he really transition well compared to Coach Hart and Coach Flea. Coach Peko is too new to grade for me. Same for the OL coaches outside of Big George who's decent. I think Prime did good with the 3 headed mix like the DL has but Helow is better than everyone else. The question with Helow will be recruiting. That's where I believe he may have issues. I just don't know. Rob can recruit. Rob is good if it's the NFL or college. We got a good staff. We could be better. We need to be better. But the Coach we need to improve the most are both Hart and Prime. Considering Hart time here, it's time to go.

@Buffnik mention that HBCU coaches are just as good as P4 and G5 coaches, just dont get the opportunity. I think they are better in certain areas like motivator and especially talent developer because you are able to get the kids to realize we are one and we need to be our best version if we want to win. That's where every HBCU coach shines and they all have a tremendous ability to multi task and value the person as that's just as critical if not more than winning games. That's where HBCU coaches shine.

But they tend to lack the tactician side and strategist side to a degree but generally are good architect, sometimes great ones. The one thing I think people fail to realize is if you are a tactician there, it is so difficult. My coaches who post here know what I mean. HBCUs are so much about what not happening with Football that it completely impacts what's happening in the game. Hal Mumme coached at a HBCU and was disastrous. It's not for the weak. But the issue is, many just struggle with the quality gap of tactician and strategist. That's where most struggle. The best HBCU coach in the last 10 years is Willie Simmons and he's a tactician who shined at the HBCU level.
As I posted on another thread:

"The formula is simple: HCP needs to stop hiring friends and ex-NFLers with zero experience and start surrounding himself with solid, workhorse no name CFB coaches who have proven themselves up through the ranks.

HCP should be the superstar, the MC, the power and the glory guy. Everyone else should be technicians sitting in the dark behind closed doors making the machine go."
 
We had six 3 and outs, including an INT on third down.

We had one 4 and out with an INT.

We had one 6 play drive that ended on downs.

Our offense was lackluster. Their low time of possession (a little over 23’) made it incredibly difficult for the defense to recover against a very physical opponent offense.
THIS. With a semi-competent OC we're definitely 2-1 and likely 3-0 and we're talking about the defense needing to be better, but not a huge concern.
 
If we are going to be honest, Prime is a bad coach who overly excels as developing talent, recruiting, and motivating but is a horrendous strategist, generationally bad tactician, and so so as an architect who operates as a CEO but not a good one. He's probably the worst coach on staff with Hart who I think maybe a better motivator and recruiter than Prime while being worse at the other things Prime is bad at.

The thing is, Prime has three things no one else has, not even Nick Saban

1. He has his own recruiting map. He has the ability to have a parent or kid say, you wanna go to CU because of Prime. It's a recruiting card only Prime has and it has nothing to do with his recruiting skill.

2. He has his own media company which feeds the beast. This generates attention and revenue. Plus good storylines.

3. He has the media presence of LeBron James. Meaning, he will be a topic of your favorite talk show good, bad, or ugly. This gives him the TBS edge that the Atlanta Braves had in the 90s as America's team.

Those 3 things is why even as a bad coach, even Alabama would be highly interested in Prime and while Colorado sees him as critical to the brand.

I don't know how you really improve a bad coach like this. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. Prime is an above average recruiter. He's nowhere close to Mel Tucker. Not even in the same area code. But 1, 2, and 3 put him in his own recruiting category known as Coach Prime.

Hes a tremendous talent developer. Most elite guys know this better than others so it's no shock, Prime is better at this than most coaches maybe all college coaches since Nick retired. I think this is his best skill. If you want to get to the NFL, no lie, he will get you there and well prepped. I think he rivals Coach Cal at this skill. This isn't all that valuable to winning games but this matters A LOT to players. Probably the most.

I think he's a master motivator. Part of being one is what you accomplished previously and how can you inspire. I think he's elite at this as well. I just don't think it's as good as say Brent Key or Dan Lanning but it's elite.

We all know his strategist ability is bottom tier.

He is even worse at an tactician.

He's a so so architect because he's overly elite in one area and overly bad in the other.

Most coaches don't really suck at multiple areas. Even guys like Pat who are underwhelming as HCs and OCs are good at many things and element of being a coach.

I think Prime like Hart can improve but coaching is not like Basketball. It takes many years to get better and some guys just are way better natural coaches than others like Nick Saban or Bill Bellicheck like playing football.

Honestly, if you take away 1, 2, and 3, Prime might be one of CUs worse coaches of all time. Dorrell from my scout is a clearly better coach than Prime and Mel was significantly better. I do think Prime like Hart has a lot of potential but they gotta lock in and grow at areas like tactician and strategist but I don't know if Hart has enough time left. Hart is not Flea or the others. If he's fired, it's straight to the HBCUs. He's not respected, honestly. But 1, 2, 3 is why Alabama will check in with Prime if their job is open so Prime has a different value than all others.

I know ya'll will hate me for this but I don't think Pat is a bad coach. I think hes a decent coach. I just think he's just not very good at nothing and all college coaches tend to be excellent or elite at something like Rob for example. Even Brett is an elite tactician. Hart for his severe flaws is a master motivator. When you think of Pat, he's standard and that's not good enough. The reason why he gets things is he does everything well and gets fired because what are you good at? That's Pat.

I think Helow is the best on the staff. Rob 2nd. Sapp is better than we think, Faulk is a damn good coach, he could actually be a HC like Eddie George and be successful. Eddie was a better coach at Tennessee State than Prime was at JSU. I think Marshall and Brett got legit HC potential. Jason is mid and always been mid to me but he knows how to develop talent at a high level. That's where he's special but his coaching is mid.

I've been telling ya'll Coach Pollock is underrated. I think he could shock people. He's the best at talent developer mix with tactician that we have. Coach Mathis is decent. Always been decent. I did think he really transition well compared to Coach Hart and Coach Flea. Coach Peko is too new to grade for me. Same for the OL coaches outside of Big George who's decent. I think Prime did good with the 3 headed mix like the DL has but Helow is better than everyone else. The question with Helow will be recruiting. That's where I believe he may have issues. I just don't know. Rob can recruit. Rob is good if it's the NFL or college. We got a good staff. We could be better. We need to be better. But the Coach we need to improve the most are both Hart and Prime. Considering Hart time here, it's time to go.

@Buffnik mention that HBCU coaches are just as good as P4 and G5 coaches, just dont get the opportunity. I think they are better in certain areas like motivator and especially talent developer because you are able to get the kids to realize we are one and we need to be our best version if we want to win. That's where every HBCU coach shines and they all have a tremendous ability to multi task and value the person as that's just as critical if not more than winning games. That's where HBCU coaches shine.

But they tend to lack the tactician side and strategist side to a degree but generally are good architect, sometimes great ones. The one thing I think people fail to realize is if you are a tactician there, it is so difficult. My coaches who post here know what I mean. HBCUs are so much about what not happening with Football that it completely impacts what's happening in the game. Hal Mumme coached at a HBCU and was disastrous. It's not for the weak. But the issue is, many just struggle with the quality gap of tactician and strategist. That's where most struggle. The best HBCU coach in the last 10 years is Willie Simmons and he's a tactician who shined at the HBCU level.
TLDR the whole thing. Disagree on the talent development angle. Show me some great examples of developing talent. Travis Hunter came out of HS the #1 recruit in the country. I actually think the development is poor on this staff.
 
TLDR the whole thing. Disagree on the talent development angle. Show me some great examples of developing talent. Travis Hunter came out of HS the #1 recruit in the country. I actually think the development is poor on this staff.
Go do yourself a favor. Go through the last 20 years of 247sports.com #1 player and see how many ended up being the #1 NFL prospect in their draft class
 
There have been some good transfers but there's been a very high reliance on guys who did nothing at their previous school or were not good.

The portal should supplement the HS recruiting, not the other way around. Been saying this for a few years and questioning the strategy and getting **** for it.

I somewhat agree with you, especially with the upcoming portal changes. This alone should infuse HS recruiting across CFB. I still think our roster has talent, however this year we are replacing guys on NFL rosters/practice squads. When you look at the portal as a whole it is amazing in: (a) # of HS 4* available and (b) those that have basically washed out into the bottom half or third of the portal, some not playing football. I still think the miss rate on HS recruits is higher than in the portal. IMO, it is much harder to bet on growing 17/18 yo's, than built 21-23 yo'ds. NIL has to adjust here.

IMO, the biggest change in the portal is that it became much more competitive. Many more teams shelling out more NIL, more internal resources devoted to the transfer portal, and more players in the portal to evaluate. CU was ahead of the curve until this season. We hit big last year at WR. Overall, I think CU probably hit on more guys in the portal in years 1 & 2, than maybe this year. However, this year our roster looked deeper at many positions including HS recruits ready for playing time, hence less positions with clear path to start. Our transfer numbers reflect this going from 50, 44 to 31 players this year. Oddly, as a with HS recruiting, the portal has unpredictability too. Sometimes, the guys you thought were can't miss (Tyler Johnson, Cordale Russell, Metayer, McCaskill) did not workout, and the lower ranked transfer ended up starting.

I don't know that I gave you **** about it, however Prime had to flip the 1-11 roster immediately upon his arrival and the portal is how this is done. In year 2 we won 9 games. Norvell built FSU's 2024 (13-1) team almost entirely through the portal, and if they hit this year it will be transfers again, as 15 of their 22 are transfers. I would have loved it if CU was able to pluck Duce Robinson out of the portal. For Willie Fritz/Houston they did it with the portal, as 19 of their 22 are transfers, and the two deep is almost all transfers. If they make a bowl this is how they did it. Texas Tech is on this path too.

I'm still a little bit unsure about HS recruiting. CU signing more guys, would yield more players but also probably more transfers or wash-outs. That said, we are playing more of our HS recruits this year, than in any other Prime year. Some have played really well, others struggle. It is good to see that they have the talent to get onto the field.
 
It’s too early to tell with Prime, but early returns suggest the recent “highly touted” recruits are in better shape to contribute at CU than prior players. As I said, all time recruits prior to Prime weren’t that many but many four stars and up (PT Gates, Russell Lovett) never set foot on campus, some flamed out (Lynn Katoa, Marcus Houston, Craig Ochs sort of, Darrell Scott), some were injured (Clint Weth, Max Tuioti Mariner), some were mismanaged (Nick Kasa at DE instead of TE), and a few showed out (Paul Richardson, Ryan Miller).

If the argument is that recruiting this cycle is down, ok it is, but I think for legit reasons. If the argument is that recruiting effort or adaptation to a more traditional high school and in home visits, ok fair enough.

If the argument is that Prime has poor recruiting or can’t develop players, then the evidence does not support that or at very best, it’s inconclusive. The only coach since 1978 that has recruited players to Boulder like Prime is Bill McCartney. That’s just a fact.

We can always go back to goobers like Hawkins and MacIntyre or losers like Dorrell, but buyer beware.
 
It’s too early to tell with Prime, but early returns suggest the recent “highly touted” recruits are in better shape to contribute at CU than prior players. As I said, all time recruits prior to Prime weren’t that many but many four stars and up (PT Gates, Russell Lovett) never set foot on campus, some flamed out (Lynn Katoa, Marcus Houston, Craig Ochs sort of, Darrell Scott), some were injured (Clint Weth, Max Tuioti Mariner), some were mismanaged (Nick Kasa at DE instead of TE), and a few showed out (Paul Richardson, Ryan Miller).

If the argument is that recruiting this cycle is down, ok it is, but I think for legit reasons. If the argument is that recruiting effort or adaptation to a more traditional high school and in home visits, ok fair enough.

If the argument is that Prime has poor recruiting or can’t develop players, then the evidence does not support that or at very best, it’s inconclusive. The only coach since 1978 that has recruited players to Boulder like Prime is Bill McCartney. That’s just a fact.

We can always go back to goobers like Hawkins and MacIntyre or losers like Dorrell, but buyer beware.
Yeah. Our focus should be on getting Prime the recruiting budget he needs, getting Folsom and other facilities up to snuff, and building program personnel infrastructure to shore up areas that aren't his strong suits. That maximizes results while Prime is here and sets CU up to be able to continue success without needing a disruptive, generational HC whenever the post-Prime era is over.
 
To be honest, the portal last year doesn't have many good players to start with.

The biggest problem has always been there's no HS recruiting
There are a few reasons why guys enter the portal. A big one is because they aren’t good enough to play on the team they’re leaving.
 
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