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Official CU vs. UCLA 10/28/23 Game Thread

I know you weren’t around here the last couple years, but I made a bet with Manhattan that the 2022 CU offense would be better on a PPG basis than 2021, solely based off the idea that 2021 was so bad that it literally couldn’t get worse. It did.

That’s what this feels like. We all thought 2022 OL was so bad that it couldn’t get worse…. But it literally got worse in 2023.

You can blame it on scheme or whatever, but having a QB like Shedeur and an OC like Lewis should be covering some warts like poor OL play, but it’s not. That’s how bad that unit is
I think I overestimated what overhauling the roster could do by going through the portal. I thought they could just jump in and win and compete. The last few weeks just shows that we’ve got a long way to go to recruit the best players.

Also, is Prime going to cut coaches and replace them? Or stick by them and give more time?
 
No matter how much I love having #2 as our QB; NGL - if I’m a D lineman (or maybe anyone on D) in 2023, there’s no QB (or possibly any player), in all of college football I’d want to hit harder and more often than Shedeur Sanders. And he brought that on himself.
I disagree with that about him bringing it on himself. He’s just got a lot of heart and he’s got a lot of passion he brings to the game.
 
I know you weren’t around here the last couple years, but I made a bet with Manhattan that the 2022 CU offense would be better on a PPG basis than 2021, solely based off the idea that 2021 was so bad that it literally couldn’t get worse. It did.

That’s what this feels like. We all thought 2022 OL was so bad that it couldn’t get worse…. But it literally got worse in 2023.

You can blame it on scheme or whatever, but having a QB like Shedeur and an OC like Lewis should be covering some warts like poor OL play, but it’s not. That’s how bad that unit is
Man, this is a lot harder playing OL for 2 than Stout or any of the QBs we had recently. No one did anything advanced defensively against CU and still dominated them. It's was a lot easier. Teams are throwing the kitchen sink at CU this year. The ask is far greater for the OL right now. I even heard one of the coaches in the fall camp talk about it.

It's easy to make you look bad when good players are trying their best against you than when they know they got an easy win and just doing whatever.

A lot of this can be easily solved by hitting the portal and getting studs.

This team needs 6 OL in the portal or 5 and a HS OL stud like Sexton.

Tank needs to hit the portal. He can still play P5 football but this scheme needs more athleticism from the LT. He just has no bend. It's a killer.

Guards. We need 3 of them. Brown should be the only one back.

Tackles - we need an smart athletic LT with experience, four or five star transfer LT. We need a couple tackles like Hughley for depth. Keep Jatta, Savion, and Harden and develop them more, especially mentally for Harden and Jatta. Hopefully land Jordan Sexton.

Center - Wells is fine. I like Talan coming in. I am not sold on Hank but I am not put off on him either. I am not sure the portal is the best use for a center right now.

3-4 guards
2-3 tackles
0 Centers should be our portal goals.

We need studs for guards and the LT. We also need a baller to challenge Savion and let the best man win.

Most of these guys need to be cut but keep Brown, Jatta, Savion, Harden, Wells, and possibly Hank.

You gotta have the size and athleticism. You can't be unathletic and weak. That's just not gonna cut it. We can't do no screens. We can't bully. We can't run. We can't do ****!
 
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No matter how much I love having #2 as our QB; NGL - if I’m a D lineman (or maybe anyone on D) in 2023, there’s no QB (or possibly any player), in all of college football I’d want to hit harder and more often than Shedeur Sanders. And he brought that on himself.
He's elite and that's the biggest reason I want to hit him or any elite guy like Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Williams, or Nix at this level.

Then he's a massive brand.

Top nil.

Got everyone hitting his move professionally and in entertainment.

He's the most popular college QB in America.

It makes sense that kids want to get him and his OL is ass. It's not like Tebow where you want to get him but his OL keeps him untouched.
 
Don't forget about upgrading our defensive front. Yeah they stepped up but there needs to be upgrades there or serious improvement in the off season.
 
But you can’t argue that there was not helmet to face mask contact. And I agree with you that it wasn’t forceable. They touched and that was about it. But the rule says….yada, yada.

The refs reacted to the force of the hit, and it was violent, and immediately believed it had to be a penalty. The touching of his helmet to the face mask gave them the out they needed. I guess.

Oh, and Shilo doing the flexing pose didn’t help.
The flex goes right in with the type of immaturity we've seen from this team all year. They're 4-4. I could see another win, but not two.

That kind of **** has to stop.
 
Don't forget about upgrading our defensive front. Yeah they stepped up but there needs to be upgrades there or serious improvement in the off season.
They are improving ten fold compared to the beginning the season. We knew that they had talent, they are just young and none are game changers.

We know we need DL in the portal but we need Dawgs, not just good players. We got good players or kids who can develop into good players.

The interior LB and OL is where we are massively deficient in terms of talent for the level of play we aspire to be.
 
He's elite and that's the biggest reason I want to hit him or any elite guy like Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Williams, or Nix at this level.

Then he's a massive brand.

Top nil.

Got everyone hitting his move professionally and in entertainment.

He's the most popular college QB in America.

It makes sense that kids want to get him and his OL is ass. It's not like Tebow where you want to get him but his OL keeps him untouched.
All that. But the thing is, he knows the cameras are on him, and he keeps doing the watch thing or going on talk shows talking **** about another coach - yeah yeah yeah boomer this, boomer that, I’m old, kids, defending his dad - **** that ****. He’s a lightning rod and he keeps fostering it. We had 3.5 good games, and have proven nothing. The other option could have been - not keep doing the watch ****, not getting in Rhule’s / Norvell’s face, said “no comment” on the radio show. That’s just my opinion based off of working with a myriad of people who are really good at their jobs that constantly put a target on their backs by their behavior.
You’re right - there was difference between the Johnny Football/Tebow deal and just about any Bama/Michigan QB. Problem is, we don’t have the talent around him to support it.
 
All that. But the thing is, he knows the cameras are on him, and he keeps doing the watch thing or going on talk shows talking **** about another coach - yeah yeah yeah boomer this, boomer that, I’m old, kids, defending his dad - **** that ****. He’s a lightning rod and he keeps fostering it. We had 3.5 good games, and have proven nothing. The other option could have been - not keep doing the watch ****, not getting in Rhule’s / Norvell’s face, said “no comment” on the radio show. That’s just my opinion based off of working with a myriad of people who are really good at their jobs that constantly put a target on their backs by their behavior.
You’re right - there was difference between the Johnny Football/Tebow deal and just about any Bama/Michigan QB. Problem is, we don’t have the talent around him to support it.
That's his personality. You either like it or you don't. I like it. You might not. That's fine.
 
No matter how much I love having #2 as our QB; NGL - if I’m a D lineman (or maybe anyone on D) in 2023, there’s no QB (or possibly any player), in all of college football I’d want to hit harder and more often than Shedeur Sanders. And he brought that on himself.
Caleb Williams paints derogatory comments about the opposing team on his nails, Shadeur shows off his watch when brokies trash talk him.

There’s definitely more reason to want to hit Williams.
 
Man, this is a lot harder playing OL for 2 than Stout or any of the QBs we had recently. No one did anything advanced defensively against CU and still dominated them. It's was a lot easier. Teams are throwing the kitchen sink at CU this year. The ask is far greater for the OL right now. I even heard one of the coaches in the fall camp talk about it.

It's easy to make you look bad when good players are trying their best against you than when they know they got an easy win and just doing whatever.

A lot of this can be easily solved by hitting the portal and getting studs.

This team needs 6 OL in the portal or 5 and a HS OL stud like Sexton.

Tank needs to hit the portal. He can still play P5 football but this scheme needs more athleticism from the LT. He just has no bend. It's a killer.

Guards. We need 3 of them. Brown should be the only one back.

Tackles - we need an smart athletic LT with experience, four or five star transfer LT. We need a couple tackles like Hughley for depth. Keep Jatta, Savion, and Harden and develop them more, especially mentally for Harden and Jatta. Hopefully land Jordan Sexton.

Center - Wells is fine. I like Talan coming in. I am not sold on Hank but I am not put off on him either. I am not sure the portal is the best use for a center right now.

3-4 guards
2-3 tackles
0 Centers should be our portal goals.

We need studs for guards and the LT. We also need a baller to challenge Savion and let the best man win.

Most of these guys need to be cut but keep Brown, Jatta, Savion, Harden, Wells, and possibly Hank.

You gotta have the size and athleticism. You can't be unathletic and weak. That's just not gonna cut it. We can't do no screens. We can't bully. We can't run. We can't do ****!
I simply don’t understand your argument. What I see is a qb who gets the snap and takes a 3-5 step drop straight back. From a blocking perspective it simply doesn’t matter who is back there, you can’t let the D consistently beat you to that spot. A worse qb might need more time to throw or be less mobile but that’s kind of irrelevant when they get through this fast.

I agree that Sanders has been great this year despite the OL play but it’s illogical to suggest that his skill makes the OL’s job harder.
 
Caleb Williams paints derogatory comments about the opposing team on his nails, Shadeur shows off his watch when brokies trash talk him.

There’s definitely more reason to want to hit Williams.
Not mutually exclusive. However, one has won a Heisman.
 
I simply don’t understand your argument. What I see is a qb who gets the snap and takes a 3-5 step drop straight back. From a blocking perspective it simply doesn’t matter who is back there, you can’t let the D consistently beat you to that spot. A worse qb might need more time to throw or be less mobile but that’s kind of irrelevant when they get through this fast.

I agree that Sanders has been great this year despite the OL play but it’s illogical to suggest that his skill makes the OL’s job harder.]
We are in shotgun. To protect the poor OL, we do 5 step drops. Teams generally don't do drops in shotgun. Watch OU with Mayfield or Caleb at SC. But Mayfield in particular at OU rarely dropped. Some do like Hawaii because they know they don't have the pass blocking to operate on a functional level. We are not a functional pass blocking OL and we can't run block at all. We have to do 5 step drops.

That said, that has nothing to do with what I am talking about with the advanced scheme for the OL. You can run a cookie cutter offense like Hawaii and still do five step drops out of shotgun.

Back to my original point, the defensive schemes they are seeing are advanced. They are seeing what teams like Michigan, UGA, and Bama see. They on the other hand cannot handle that. They are simply too unathletic and weak. They lack size too interior wise. You may ask, why are teams running advanced schemes against us. Because of 2. If we had just the regular college QB, we wouldn't be seeing any of this because we would struggle passing against base. We are excelling against base, but struggling when teams up the ante.

Does this make more sense now?
 
That’s my point though. SS and even at times, Lewis, are covering for a lot of warts on the OL, which means the OL is just that terrible
I feel like we can have the same conversation about the last several years of Bronco football that we can about CU. Both have had ****ty o-line play for a while. The 2016 OL at CU was good, but its been below average (at best) in Boulder. We're going on 10 years of bad OL play with the Broncos.

You build from the inside out. If you can't ****ing block people, does how good your QB and skill position guys are even matter?
 
Its both. Given what Prime said about the 2022 roster (he was right), its a recruiting issue. This is a team he and this staff effectively hand picked.

The blame for the ****ty offensive line play this season is 100% on them.

100%? Nah.

I would it us probably closer to 60/40 on the coaches.
 
Its both. Given what Prime said about the 2022 roster (he was right), its a recruiting issue. This is a team he and this staff effectively hand picked.

The blame for the ****ty offensive line play this season is 100% on them.
I am having problems with this post. Explain it for me in more detail. You are saying we hand picked these guys? You do realize we whiffed on every OL but Savion and Tyler Brown in the portal during recruiting. Remember Cameron Johnson. Remember Coker. We offered everyone and landed no one. Jatta and Wilty came from JUCO. Bailey was an after spring game addition and CU was BASHED for signing him and Young. Especially Young.

Hell yeah it's a recruiting problem. They were ****ing terrible recruiting the OL. The DL recruiting was superior and they landed NO Dawgs outside of Cokes. None. But they landed some really talented kids like Amari M who has developed nicely.

I don't get what you mean. They literally lost more talent by the portal than gained on the OL and the one player that Deion did handpick was ruled ineligible. What are you talking about? I don't understand
 
watching a bunch of upright dl run past our ol like they are made of stone was hard to watch. 2 getting clobbered over and over was hard to watch.

that is probably the best dl we will face this year but i feel like the ol is getting worse not better.

i hear all the folks blaming the coaching and maybe you are right. but these guys cannot move their feet. they cannot get low and get leverage. the fact that ucla could simply put faster and more athletic guys upfront and not worry at all about them getting trucked on an interior running play tells you all you need to know.

Coach says he is going to go get new OL and he's totally right but if you are one of those kids with 4 games left are you dialing in or checking out?

i really did expect better coming off the bye.
 
watching a bunch of upright dl run past our ol like they are made of stone was hard to watch. 2 getting clobbered over and over was hard to watch.

that is probably the best dl we will face this year but i feel like the ol is getting worse not better.

i hear all the folks blaming the coaching and maybe you are right. but these guys cannot move their feet. they cannot get low and get leverage. the fact that ucla could simply put faster and more athletic guys upfront and not worry at all about them getting trucked on an interior running play tells you all you need to know.

Coach says he is going to go get new OL and he's totally right but if you are one of those kids with 4 games left are you dialing in or checking out?

i really did expect better coming off the bye.
All of them playing for pride or for a spot to stick on the roster. They are on scholarship.
 
All of them playing for pride or for a spot to stick on the roster. They are on scholarship.
hope so. that was so bad.

on a positive note, Travis is absolutely a crazy great player. if we can get a few more dudes on the lines that can play and one disruptor at lb, we could be really good next year.
 
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