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Official Michigan State/Mel Tucker Hate Thread

LesGrossman

Club Member
Club Member
After the rampant douchebaggery displayed by MSU’s pale and cankle-clad fans….. I have tapped a fresh cask of Schadenfreude limited reserve and must say it is a delightfully delectable vintage.

I welcome all of you to breathe deep and take in the perfectly balanced flavors of this wonderful Schadenfreude and scoff as the panic sets in regarding the contract
 

Alfred91

9th Degree Black Belt
Club Member
Tbh, Mel's a hell of a recruiter, but he didn't amaze me with his game day coaching, and really he's done absolutely zero to deserve the amount of money Sparty is paying him. They overpaid to poach him, then they freaked out and severely overpaid to keep him.

Now they're stuck. They are looking at 6-6 at best, and judging by the fact that they've yet to stay within 10 of a P5 team, I'd say going 4-0 against Wisconsin, Rutgers, Illinois, and Purdue is far from certain.
 

Uncle Ken

Orr no morr
Club Member
After the rampant douchebaggery displayed by MSU’s pale and cankle-clad fans….. I have tapped a fresh cask of Schadenfreude limited reserve and must say it is a delightfully delectable vintage.

I welcome all of you to breathe deep and take in the perfectly balanced flavors of this wonderful Schadenfreude and scoff as the panic sets in regarding the contract
I think Pale and Cankle is actually the name of the MSU fight song.
 

Highlander

There can be only one
Club Member
I don’t hate Mel the way some of you guys appear to hate him.

I saw his departure as a massive warming signal that was only amplified by the choice to hire Dorrell.

I also don’t hate Dorrell. It isn’t his fault CU made a terrible decision. He did the best he could, it was simply wildly short of mediocrity.
 
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SpacemanSpiff

Be curious, not judgmental
Club Member
I don’t hate Mel the way some of you guys appear to hate him.

I saw his departure as a massive warming signal that was only amplified by the choice to hire Dorrell.

I also don’t hate Dorrell. It isn’t his fault CU mad a terrible decision. He did the best he could, it was simply wildly short of mediocrity.
I don’t hate Mel for leaving. I do hate him for how he left. I don’t blame him for climate change though.
 

Alfred91

9th Degree Black Belt
Club Member
I don't hate Mel. I don't like him either.

I do think Sparty went completely into full-fledged panic mode when D'Antonio left and threw way more money at Tucker than he deserved, then went 1000% stupid when LSU came sniffing around for him.

I am watching with a bit of schadenfreude as Sparty fans come to the realization that they gave a ton of money to a guy who has never proven himself to be a decent gameday coach.
 

ahoelsken

Well-Known Member
After the rampant douchebaggery displayed by MSU’s pale and cankle-clad fans….. I have tapped a fresh cask of Schadenfreude limited reserve and must say it is a delightfully delectable vintage.

I welcome all of you to breathe deep and take in the perfectly balanced flavors of this wonderful Schadenfreude and scoff as the panic sets in regarding the contract
Oh dude I started that when I started this thread.

He'll get another few years and then either retire or go back to Alabama. I would not want him back here. Way too many names I think are gettable this year excite me more. Tom Herman for one. Bronco Mendenhalls another. I see a guy with a very high floor, and that isn't a bad thing right now.
 

JMBuffs

Club Member
Club Member
Our trajectory with Mel was looking amazing; animated/hard nosed African American coach who made recruiting his priority. The Pac12 ain't the Big 10, Mel would feast at CU
 

Alfred91

9th Degree Black Belt
Club Member
Its hard to blame MSU for handing him $95m, tbh. He won 11 games in year 2, including a NY6 bowl, and had a Heisman Finalist. They had to lock him up and keep him away from LSU or wherever else. Chalk it up to modern day college football and how ****ed it is.

I disagree. I think Mel obviously has one hell of an agent, but nobody who hasn't at least made a CFP should be handed a contract like that, especially 100% guaranteed. That was a panic move. Did they even know what LSU was offering?

I know Kelly signed a similar contract with LSU, but that was with the leverage of knowing that Tucker had spurned LSU and signed the contract he did with MSU. Not to mention Kelly won like 100 games at Notre Dame, went to the CFP, and basically led the Irish back to national respectability.

Actually, the idea that LSU went for Kelly after they lost out on Tucker is ****ing laughable in and of itself. Tucker's agent must be a master at promoting him in the eyes of ADs everywhere. Hopefully he's getting like twice the regular agent's fee.
 

Alfred91

9th Degree Black Belt
Club Member
Our trajectory with Mel was looking amazing; animated/hard nosed African American coach who made recruiting his priority. The Pac12 ain't the Big 10, Mel would feast at CU

Meh. He was here one year, had an admittedly amazing by our standards recruiting class but was still middle of the pack in the conference, and had the same record as his predecessor. I didn't want to lose him any more than the rest of us, and he was obviously better than Dorrell, but at the time, all of us had questions about his gameday coaching. We all chalked it up to him being new to the HC gig and playing with mostly McIntyre's players, but looking at what is going on in East Lansing, I think there's a legit question in whether he's truly head coach material.

Also, sure, he lost to Ohio State yesterday, but before that it was Washington, Minnesota, and Maryland. Let's not act like that was some sort of murderer's row.
 

SpacemanSpiff

Be curious, not judgmental
Club Member
Our trajectory with Mel was looking amazing; animated/hard nosed African American coach who made recruiting his priority. The Pac12 ain't the Big 10, Mel would feast at CU
I feel like you are overselling how well Mel was doing here. I was looking forward to seeing what he could build in Boulder, but the trajectory was still very much a wait and see thing for me.
 

Buffnik

Real name isn't Nik
Club Member
Junta Member
MT is a promoter who really likes his money.

Nothing wrong with that.

At CU, his greatest strength was on that promotion side. He got positive media attention for the program. He got fans & students excited.

The negative is that like attracts like, so the guys who wanted to play for him and he all were attached to CU - a place that was never going to measure up on making you a celebrity who gets paid top dollar.

I think it's good he left. I also think it sucked that the MSU opening broke how and when it did instead of a year or two later. And where CU really screwed up was hiring someone who is the opposite of MT as his replacement - it was doomed to lose the players along with the fans/students without achieving a significant uptick in wins.

As an aside, I always thought it was a bit of a red flag with MT on staff. Why was he only able to attract analysts, GAs and recently fired coaches? You would have thought that with all the places he's coached that there would be a network of guys who wanted to work for him. Maybe that's a red flag. Maybe he's a form over substance, self-centered guy whose main skill set is promoting & recruiting. Not necessarily someone who would inspire loyalty of other professionals.
 

The Alabaster Yak

Club Member
Club Member
MT is a promoter who really likes his money.

Nothing wrong with that.

At CU, his greatest strength was on that promotion side. He got positive media attention for the program. He got fans & students excited.

The negative is that like attracts like, so the guys who wanted to play for him and he all were attached to CU - a place that was never going to measure up on making you a celebrity who gets paid top dollar.

I think it's good he left. I also think it sucked that the MSU opening broke how and when it did instead of a year or two later. And where CU really screwed up was hiring someone who is the opposite of MT as his replacement - it was doomed to lose the players along with the fans/students without achieving a significant uptick in wins.

As an aside, I always thought it was a bit of a red flag with MT on staff. Why was he only able to attract analysts, GAs and recently fired coaches? You would have thought that with all the places he's coached that there would be a network of guys who wanted to work for him. Maybe that's a red flag. Maybe he's a form over substance, self-centered guy whose main skill set is promoting & recruiting. Not necessarily someone who would inspire loyalty of other professionals.
He was given a blank check. Why is Jay Johnson still his OC?
 

MtnBuff

Not allowed in Barzil 2
Club Member
I feel like you are overselling how well Mel was doing here. I was looking forward to seeing what he could build in Boulder, but the trajectory was still very much a wait and see thing for me.
Mel was a great promoter.

He had a lot of us believing in him just like he had a lot of Michigan State fans believing in him.

He wasn't and still isn't a very good game day coach.

He also got us excited about his recruiting but take an honest look at his recruiting while he was here. The top of his class was very good including a few guys who will likely end up playing on Sundays. On the whole though he also had a lot of guys who turned out to not be as good as we made them out to be. He has repeated this at Michigan State.

Now the question is can he turn things around and get that program back into a positive trajectory. Unlike in Boulder they will give him the resources and support. He is also going to get more time because with that contract he isn't going away soon.
 

SpacemanSpiff

Be curious, not judgmental
Club Member
Mel was a great promoter.

He had a lot of us believing in him just like he had a lot of Michigan State fans believing in him.

He wasn't and still isn't a very good game day coach.

He also got us excited about his recruiting but take an honest look at his recruiting while he was here. The top of his class was very good including a few guys who will likely end up playing on Sundays. On the whole though he also had a lot of guys who turned out to not be as good as we made them out to be. He has repeated this at Michigan State.

Now the question is can he turn things around and get that program back into a positive trajectory. Unlike in Boulder they will give him the resources and support. He is also going to get more time because with that contract he isn't going away soon.
Mel was a great promoter of Mel. It should have been a warning sign when Mel said he wanted his own publicist, instead of using CU.
 

Agent Dave Kujan

Club Member
Club Member
I don't hate Mel. I don't like him either.

I do think Sparty went completely into full-fledged panic mode when D'Antonio left and threw way more money at Tucker than he deserved, then went 1000% stupid when LSU came sniffing around for him.

I am watching with a bit of schadenfreude as Sparty fans come to the realization that they gave a ton of money to a guy who has never proven himself to be a decent gameday coach.
Sparty fans=Bronco fans
 

Formerly_Medford

Well-Known Member
Michigan State is in this position because the team vastly outperformed their talent level last year, and they figured he must be a hell of a coach to get them to a NY6 bowl with that roster.

Everyone could see a regression coming because that MSU team last year was NOT as good as their record. Not even close.
 

The Alabaster Yak

Club Member
Club Member
Michigan State is in this position because the team vastly outperformed their talent level last year, and they figured he must be a hell of a coach to get them to a NY6 bowl with that roster.

Everyone could see a regression coming because that MSU team last year was NOT as good as their record. Not even close.
How does a team outperform their talent level?
 

Corey Trevorson

Club Member
Club Member
Michigan State is in this position because the team vastly outperformed their talent level last year, and they figured he must be a hell of a coach to get them to a NY6 bowl with that roster.

Everyone could see a regression coming because that MSU team last year was NOT as good as their record. Not even close.
Regression sure, but regression to a 3 win team? Nah.
 

Crash Davis

Insubordinate and churlish
Club Member
I'll just remind you all that we won a national championship with a coach I would describe as "great recruiter, questionable game day coach".

College football is 90% recruiting. I'll take great recruiter/mediocre game day over the opposite 10 times out of 10.
 
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