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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

Buffnik said:
This is true. OSU and TTU would help recruiting and expand viewership. I'd expect these additions would at least pay for themselves in added revenue while making the conference more competitive.

Problem is, it doesn't close the gap enough to keep USC and others happy. So I think a deal with the B1G is the path forward. Usually I think the speculation is fun to talk about while knowing the final changes will be more modest. This time I think we are headed for seismic changes. From what I'm reading, the ACC is more worried than anyone outside of the Big 12.
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Its hard for me to take a lot of this seriously-The UT stuff I believe because I have friends who are former Longhorn athletes and my best friend's dad gives UT's AD a fair amount of dough. Their reasoning is stupid (just like Bill Plaschke's dumbass talking about USC going independent is), but this seems a lot closer than the Pac 16 ever was 10 years ago.

The Big 10 making a massive move west? Yeah that likely ends the same way the Pac 16 did. The Cali schools don't do it, and we wind up coming with like Iowa State as the 16th member.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
The question is are we willing to cheat? If so how much? Is CU going to have some integrity (admissions, behavior, team rules) or are we willing to risk being a (Insert name here) in the name of a few wins? I cant say that there is cheating in the Big Ten. But Im sure there is in the SEC. And the SEC is where the players are According to the tweet I posted.
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Behavior/team rules? No. We shouldn't be. Admissions? Yeah I have no problem whatsoever taking an academic risk or two.
 
Buffnik said:
Not really.

Where we are going is to the lowest common denominator.

I keep hearing academics don't matter any more. That the quality of the university is irrelevant. All that matters is how well positioned that school is to attract entertainment revenue for broadcasters and sponsors.

I became a college sports fan because I love the other part of things just as much. Young people getting opportunities to get education, many the first in their families to go to college. Seeing them mature. Knowing that most won't be able to make a career of it so it's mostly about the other stuff.

Also, because of other missions, including football funding a ton of other varsity sports, that it was about all those opportunities and stories.

Now it's starting to feel like we can fvck all that. I'm trying to find a justification for the top of college football to make players pass admissions, enroll at the university and go to class. Just hire them as mercenaries for the university sponsored club team and cut out all the bull****.

ESPN would like that. They love coaches who cheat, colleges that keep players eligible and sweep scandals under the rug, and college towns/states where the police and AG check with the coach before deciding on how to proceed with a legal matter involving players. Because there's nothing worse than players who are performing assets not being able to make them money.

I thought players were being treated unfairly and deserved a slice of the pie, freedom to transfer, etc. I believe that colleges could do this without compromising the mission. Especially since we're talking about very little money within the scope of a major university where endowments are over a billion dollars and an extra 10 million in sports media dollars or investment in athletes is almost insignificant. Not like professor salaries are higher at the schools with the richest athletic departments. So this was always about enriching the university community in ways other than the direct sports entertainment revenue.

Anyway, this is going down a path that's making me reevaluate. I am entertained by sports. Maybe I need to leave it at that and stop caring who wins the same way I enjoy my computer but don't root for Apple to win market share.
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Actually, really. When I was a student “tutor” at Colorado 25 years ago, academics were not a priority for many of the players and the administration. My job was to help get homework done. Full stop.

It seems like you have a pollyanna notion of the past. Schools had to pretend to care about academics and the rules because they weren’t paying the players. The NFL has seen rocketship valuations and no discernable developmental organization underneath it. This is unlike every other big time professional sports leagues, save for the NBA. Of course, this reality makes perfect sense since major college football and basketball in this country has served as the minor leagues.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Actually, really. When I was a student “tutor” at Colorado 25 years ago, academics were not a priority for many of the players and the administration. My job was to help get homework done. Full stop.

It seems like you have a pollyanna notion of the past. Schools had to pretend to care about academics and the rules because they weren’t paying the players. The NFL has seen rocketship valuations and no discernable developmental organization underneath it. This is unlike every other big time professional sports leagues, save for the NBA. Of course, this reality makes perfect sense since major college football and basketball in this country has served as the minor leagues.
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Thats a very very fair take. Both on structure and nostalgia. If the NFL had a farm system college football would be far different looking.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Actually, really. When I was a student “tutor” at Colorado 25 years ago, academics were not a priority for many of the players and the administration. My job was to help get homework done. Full stop.

It seems like you have a pollyanna notion of the past. Schools had to pretend to care about academics and the rules because they weren’t paying the players. The NFL has seen rocketship valuations and no discernable developmental organization underneath it. This is unlike every other big time professional sports leagues, save for the NBA. Of course, this reality makes perfect sense since major college football and basketball in this country has served as the minor leagues.
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Maybe so and I have trouble letting go of my delusions.

But there are degrees.

I don't like my hobbies to feel "corporate".

So I feel like I'm drifting away from what was my main pastime for almost my entire life - sports. I've got kind of a midlife crisis going on.
 
InTheBuff said:
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Pac-12 expansion evaluation: Baylor

Of all the schools the Pac-12 might consider for expansion if the Big 12 dissolves, Baylor is the easiest school to decide on… but is this a yes or no?
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You all will love this 😀
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Yeah. Really enjoyed that. They were more bullish on TTU and OSU as at least worthy of consideration. TCU they wrote off as a non starter as a cultural fit. And Kansas they relegated to worth considering as a basketball-only invite.
 
Buffnik said:
Maybe so and I have trouble letting go of my delusions.

But there are degrees.

I don't like my hobbies to feel "corporate".

So I feel like I'm drifting away from what was my main pastime for almost my entire life - sports. I've got kind of a midlife crisis going on.
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Go watch high school ball. Or UNC.

The less money involved, the purer the game.
 
hawg1 said:
I need odds that this is all happening.

OU/UT to SEC: -600
B12/P12 merge: +1000
P12/B1G 20 mega conference: +500
USC, UCLA, CU and Oregon to B1G: +200
USC, UCLA, Oregon and UDub to B1G: +250
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What I saw said Oregon, CU, UCLA and USC are talking with the Big 10, and UW and Stanford are listening. Could be six go to the Big 10.

My issue is only UT and OU now make the Big 12 valuable. And I’m guessing UCLA, UW, USC and OU will join the Big 10. If we don’t go, what’s left of the Pac-12 and Big 12 is barely above Mountain West, or at least that how the media will see it. There will be more movement like Clemson, Miami and FSU to SEC and then as far as media contracts and respect from all media, there will be two super conferences.

Joining the scraps of Pac 12 and Big 12 is a sure death for CU. It’s go Big 10 or go home, IMO. I’d rather be anywhere in one of the two super conferences than what most hope for here. I don’t care about travel destinations. What pays CU the most, what gets CU on National tv while east coast people are awake? The answer to both is getting into the Big 10. Will the Big 10 and SEC then break away from NCAA? Maybe. But if they do, we want to be part of it. The future is two super conferences, not three or four. We all see it coming. Get in one of them right now.
 
Buffnik said:
What if the SEC worked with ESPN to do this by gobbling up all the major southern schools?

Miami, FSU, GA Tech, Clemson, UNC, Duke, NC State, Okie State to go with UT and OU to take it to 24?

Could this actually happen?
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Add Colorado and Nebraska and I’m in. I want to be part of one fo the two super conferences. I want Nebraska every year on the schedule.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Tell that to half the people on AllBuffs who can’t possibly stand to play ****braska again or travel to the Midwest for roadies
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All I know is that all the combined power of what the **** AllBuffs members think won’t add 20 million a year to the program or get us on national tv while the east coast media is still awake.
 
Jens1893 said:
Go watch high school ball. Or UNC.

The less money involved, the purer the game.
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That's true. I also love watching and appreciating the best at something doing their thing. Particularly when they're doing something at a level I never could. College sports was always a nice balance between this and the non-corporate purity of competition thing for me.

We'll see.

Anyway, I think I'm going to back away from posting about how this is impacting me personally as a fan. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just work through my feelings because I feel like Ive lost something & need to figure out what that means.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that Texas knew this was going down and told Sark and is why he took the job as HC?
 
InTheBuff said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Texas knew this was going down and told Sark and is why he took the job as HC?
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Timing fits. Sark was at the start of January. What I'm reading is that ESPN started orchestrating these talks more than 6 months ago, maybe 9 or so.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
The issue with hockey, as you mentioned, is marketing. They do a horrible job of marketing their stars. Tampa Bay just won back to back Cups and was the Presidents trophy winner a year before that and I couldn’t name a single player on that roster, prior to this years Finals. Like baseball, it’s regional with its rooting interests because there’s also very few nationally televised games.
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It’s also just really hard to watch on tv.
 
Jalapeno said:
True but...

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It didn't scare me back in 1995-1997 when I played high school football. Today with all of that information, I doubt I would have gone out for football if I had to do that all again. The pool of players will be smaller for sure but still big enough to carry the sport forward even if it becomes more regionalized.



Same here. Going to give hockey one more try this season.



I didn't fully pay attention to NCAA baseball this spring but how much shorter are they than MLB games? I'm looking at ESPN+ and the recent CWS games on demand are 3 hours each. UNC baseball moved from the WAC to the Summit...I might check out that baseball team next year.
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They really aren’t much shorter, but there is so much going on - CONSTANT errors, the pitching staffs aren’t nearly as big so there aren’t nearly as many pitching changes, and every kid is trying to go pro so they hustle ON EVERY DAMN PLAY.
 
BuffsNYC said:
With what we’ve learned about football and head trauma, there just no reason a university should field a football team. Yet here we are.
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I have felt for a while that one large settlement in favor of a severely injured (or dead) player due to violent contact of play or a class of players with extreme CTE while playing would be enough for many state institutions to cut their funding of football. I don’t know what liability the programs have, the precedents in court for covering players health and thankfully no examples have happened. Still I wonder how long the wide spread collegiate football environment will last.

Private institutions, perennial programs and football crazy states may keep their programs, and I believe this is the consolidation we are seeing. My gut feeling is traditional college football will tighten to a super conference and everyone else will be moving either away from football into other sports or there will be a 7v7/alternate version of the sport is to be added for all remaining schools of the excluded P5, G5, FCS and lower divisions.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
The question is are we willing to cheat? If so how much? Is CU going to have some integrity (admissions, behavior, team rules) or are we willing to risk being a (Insert name here) in the name of a few wins? I cant say that there is cheating in the Big Ten. But Im sure there is in the SEC. And the SEC is where the players are According to the tweet I posted. If the SEC conditions those players to a such a low bar cheating is the only way you attract them and keep them for the very top prospects.
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I mean at this point what is cheating? There is no need for shady bag men now when money can be funneled directly to players with just a minimal fig leaf that it’s an endorsement deal. I suppose they may continue to go through the motions on recruiting contact rules, but that stuff will likely be minimized if there is an NCAA breakaway.
 
A lot of theories out there. What seems realistic:

CU remains in the PAC, which adds some members of the Big 12
Or
CU joins a Big 10 super-conference?
 


Who knows how legitimate this is, but have been seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, and CU linked to Big Ten with some combination of USC/UCLA and Fox calling the shots... have also seen things about KU... which brings me to the ultimate pipe dream that I think also makes sense given what's been floating around (whether legit or not):

North:
Minnesota
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Central:
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Nebraska
Northwestern

East:
Indiana
Maryland
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

West:
COLORADO (!!)
Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington

PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS POSSIBLE.
 
cowe6453 said:


Who knows how legitimate this is, but have been seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, and CU linked to Big Ten with some combination of USC/UCLA and Fox calling the shots... have also seen things about KU... which brings me to the ultimate pipe dream that I think also makes sense given what's been floating around (whether legit or not):

North:
Minnesota
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Central:
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
****braska
Northwestern

East:
Indiana
Maryland
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

West:
COLORADO (!!)
Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington

PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS POSSIBLE.
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I want to believe. I want to believe. I want to believe.
 
Questions:

1) Any potential road blocks to USC/UCLA leaving without Stanford/Cal?
2) Would USC/UCLA be okay leaving Stanford/Cal behind?
3) Would Big Ten be okay leaving Stanford/Cal behind?
4) Would Stanford/Cal be okay with being left behind?
5) Does Arizona get left behind?
 
cowe6453 said:


Who knows how legitimate this is, but have been seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, and CU linked to Big Ten with some combination of USC/UCLA and Fox calling the shots... have also seen things about KU... which brings me to the ultimate pipe dream that I think also makes sense given what's been floating around (whether legit or not):

North:
Minnesota
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Central:
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
****braska
Northwestern

East:
Indiana
Maryland
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

West:
COLORADO (!!)
Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington

PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS POSSIBLE.
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I'm just going to call it now-This is going to play out the exact same way the Pac 16 did with the west coast schools backing out at the last minute and CU going with like Iowa State to the B1G.
 
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