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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

SINKRATZ said:
Sure we are.
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Arguably the most well traveled fan base in the entire country makes a short drive to Boulder to watch their team take on an old rival, while paying a ridiculous premium to CU fans willing to sell their tickets for said ridiculous premium, and that proves CU's fanbase is on par with Stanford. Got it
 
onealcd said:
I never said that CU would be a good add to the Big 10, just that Stanford has a terrible fanbase and plays in what is widely regarded as the worst home football environment in the entire country. They also have bad tv ratings because they don’t have a large alumni base and the alums they do have don’t care about sports. They do however reside in a big market and good recruiting grounds and have a **** load of money with good facilities.
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And that terrible fan base draws about the same as CU despite having half the number of students and living alumni and they don’t get to stare at the Flatirons from the stadium. I’m just saying CU is not really in a position to be throwing stones.
 
One angle to the Stanford v. CU percentage of capacity debate that is peppered throughout the last few pages- Stanford tore down its old stadium (capacity 89,000) and built a new one with a capacity of a little over half (50k). That's a pretty serious thumb on the scale in terms of looking at things recently as a percentage of stadium capacity. It makes their attendance look better than it is. If you shrink the stadium to fit the size of the crowd, your percentage will look much better.

The obvious long term trend is that Stanford's in-person fan support is lagging badly. The combined region of the Bay Area + Metro Sacramento has twice the population of the state of Colorado. Stanford has been on a historically elevated level of football success and in the midst of it, tore down their stadium and built a smaller one. That says quite a bit. It's a pretty antiseptic place to watch a game, much like Levi's... no soul. My wife, who went to Stanford, is somewhat characteristic of Stanford fans. She follows the team, but doesn't build her life around making sure she sees the game (except Notre Dame, Cal, USC & UO), and we never go in person (we live in Colorado).

All of that said, Stanford is tremendous institution and a global brand, the most likely way I see them left out of continued inclusion in "big time" football is if they choose to do so, and that seems a distinct but less likely possibility. I'd love to see Cal get left out.
 
Darth Snow said:
Your focus on one game is weird and wrong.

You've been presented lots of evidence about the fan bases, and have instead resorted to posting pictures of one game as "proof" that CU's fanbase is the same as Stanford's. As someone else pointed out, that's not good evidence.

CU's fanbase shows up even when we suck. We really show up when we are good. We get better ratings on TV. We care about football.

Posting pictures of nub fans in folsom makes you suck.
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It’s not based on one game, it’s based on attendance, compared to Stanford who has a fraction of the alumni we do. That one game is emblematic of a fundamental difference between CU and most BIG schools. How many fan bases who really care about football would have done that?
 
SINKRATZ said:
It’s not based on one game, it’s based on attendance, compared to Stanford who has a fraction of the alumni we do. That one game is emblematic of a fundamental difference between CU and most BIG schools. How many fan bases who really care about football would have done that?
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So, back to focusing on one game involving the nubs. Are you SURE you want to stand on this point?

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SINKRATZ said:
And that terrible fan base draws about the same as CU despite having half the number of students and living alumni and they don’t get to stare at the Flatirons from the stadium. I’m just saying CU is not really in a position to be throwing stones.
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You continue to ignore the fact that Stanford and CU have been drawing the same interest after Stanford has averaged 10 wins/season over the last decade, while CU has averaged 4.5 wins/seasons over the same time period. CU's floor in fan support is Stanford's ceiling.
 
I don't know anything about Stanford's fan support, but it's not a reach to say that CU lacks the level of the top half of P5 teams.

We have NEVER sold out the home slate for a full season. Even the year of our AP national championship, or the following year, when fan interest should've been at an all-time high. And this despite having a low-capacity stadium by P5 standards.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Arguably the most well traveled fan base in the entire country makes a short drive to Boulder to watch their team take on an old rival, while paying a ridiculous premium to CU fans willing to sell their tickets for said ridiculous premium, and that proves CU's fanbase is on par with Stanford. Got it
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A fan base more interested in selling season tickets to a rival team for a few dollars than watching their team play an old rival on a perfect weather day proves our fan base really shouldn’t be looking down on others at the moment.
 
SINKRATZ said:
A fan base more interested in selling season tickets to a rival team for a few dollars than watching their team play an old rival on a perfect weather day proves our fan base really shouldn’t be looking down on others at the moment.
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No one is looking down on anyone. People just think that CU should have a place at the table. Apparently you don't.
 
hokiehead said:
I don't know anything about Stanford's fan support, but it's not a reach to say that CU lacks the level of the top half of P5 teams.

We have NEVER sold out the home slate for a full season. Even the year of our AP national championship, or the following year, when fan interest should've been at an all-time high. And this despite having a low-capacity stadium by P5 standards.
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I wonder if we might be able to do it (sell out the home slate) now, though, if we had a similar run of success...?

In 1990, there were 3.29 million people in Colorado, today there are approx. 5.77 million. Most of that growth is on the Front Range... While many newcomers may not care about CU, it is an appreciable population difference and I think we could see more folks in total in Folsom if we had a run of success.
 
SINKRATZ said:
And that terrible fan base draws about the same as CU despite having half the number of students and living alumni and they don’t get to stare at the Flatirons from the stadium. I’m just saying CU is not really in a position to be throwing stones.
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That is not true though. Go do a little research on how many people go to Stanford games. Go look at the pictures it is really really bad.
 
SINKRATZ said:
A fan base more interested in selling season tickets to a rival team for a few dollars than watching their team play an old rival on a perfect weather day proves our fan base really shouldn’t be looking down on others at the moment.
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I see you are now going out of your way to ignore what I (and others) have said about the level of success between the programs.

You are also acting like fans selling season tickets at such a premium is unique to CU. It's not.

You also ignore that Nebraska is one of the most well traveled fan bases in CFB and the university is a 7 hour drive away and many Nebraska fans live in Colorado. You are cherry picking the most extreme example possible to prove a flimsy point.

You are also going out of your way to be a crusty c.unt about CU football and its relevancy going forward on a CU athletics site.
 
I get that the Big 10 has some really good fanbases but to poach that Pac 12 and cut the bad weight from our conference but keep the deadweight from their own seems like an off strategy, similar to the SEC elevating some bad programs from their own conference into this “super conference”. If you are going to poach usc, ucla, Washington, oregon, asu, colorado and Utah you might as well ditch northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, etc.
 
Darth Snow said:
Your focus on one game is weird and wrong.

You've been presented lots of evidence about the fan bases, and have instead resorted to posting pictures of one game as "proof" that CU's fanbase is the same as Stanford's. As someone else pointed out, that's not good evidence.

CU's fanbase shows up even when we suck. We really show up when we are good. We get better ratings on TV. We care about football.

Posting pictures of nub fans in folsom makes you suck.
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Since I'm listening to Sheila E I believe you maybe suffering from "A Love Bizarre"< ie. P12.
CU has had for the longest time the best live mascot in CFB...how many people do you honestly believe outside of BUFF fans even notice?
Wrong..CU fans don't attend home games unless it's a P5 and only if it's a team projected to have a better record....cameras don't lie.
 
HighlandsBuff said:
I wonder if we might be able to do it (sell out the home slate) now, though, if we had a similar run of success...?

In 1990, there were 3.29 million people in Colorado, today there are approx. 5.77 million. Most of that growth is on the Front Range... While many newcomers may not care about CU, it is an appreciable population difference and I think we could see more folks in total in Folsom if we had a run of success.
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I don't know, but I kinda doubt it. CU did reduce capacity of Folsom in 2014, so that would definitely help.

I perceive local fan-interest to be very low in CU athletics, but I've never before lived in region which was so biased toward pro vs college sports either, so my perspective may be off.

if we won an MNC in year N, and had a good schedule for year N+1, I think we come close. However, attendance in 2017 was certainly disappointing coming off the division champ.
 
SINKRATZ said:
I was at the game, and it absolutely was half the stadium. The tailgating around campus was even worse - a stranger wouldn’t believe you were in Boulder.
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Yeah. I was at the game too. Your memory is off. But that’s your issue.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Sure we are.
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The big thing that you cannot seem to get by is answering why, after playing major conference football for over 100 years, these mythical "big money donors" of Stanford and Cal will magically start putting serious money into football.

Their donors have had a metric **** ton of money for decades, and some of them have stepped up to the plate to help fund other sports, but all of the sudden, they're going to magically step up and start supporting the football program for... reasons.

The odds are always better that people will continue the same things they've done for decades rather than change. Cal and Stanford do not have football fans (fans = people who give money to the AD for football, attend games and arrange their schedule to watch games on TV). They have alumni. There's a difference.

Here's Cal & Stanford's Alumni/Fan venn diagram (note: CSU's is similar):
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And, here's a random SEC school:

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The Alabaster Yak said:
I see you are now going out of your way to ignore what I (and others) have said about the level of success between the programs.

You are also acting like fans selling season tickets at such a premium is unique to CU. It's not.

You also ignore that ****braska is one of the most well traveled fan bases in CFB and the university is a 7 hour drive away and many ****braska fans live in Colorado. You are cherry picking the most extreme example possible to prove a flimsy point.

You are also going out of your way to be a crusty c.unt about CU football and its relevancy going forward on a CU athletics site.
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Ok make the case for CU then. You may think the Nebraska game is totally irrelevant or there are all kinds of excuses for that event, but has Minnesota, or Iowa, or Washington, or Purdue or Stanford ever sold half their stadium to a visiting team in a rivalry game? Would love to see how common place this is.
 
making sure everyone noted the part about UT and OU saying they will honor their GoR commitments through 2025. I don't know anyway to interpret that other than they plan on staying in the XII until then.

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hokiehead said:
making sure everyone noted the part about UT and OU saying they will honor their GoR commitments through 2025. I don't know anyway to interpret that other than they plan on staying in the XII until then.

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And everyone starts scrambling to closely read the grant of rights agreements.

If the B12 used the same law firm CU does, they screwed.
 
Not Sure said:
That CU/NU game had a lot of ****braska fans at it, but it’s not like they completely took over the place. The red polyester sticks out and makes it look a lot worse than it was. Not saying they didn’t have a very large contingent there, but it wasn’t half the stadium. It wasn’t even a third of the stadium. And by the end of the game, what was left of the fans they had was absolutely glorious.

and I am left to wonder how comparing that game to anything Stanford does is in the least bit relevant to anything.
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it was 60-40 Nebraska at least.
 
SINKRATZ said:
It’s much better how? The biggest matchup this program had seen at Folsom in years, with a hated rival, on a perfect day, a new, exciting HC and our season ticket holders decided they’d rather make a few bucks and watch the game at home. If that doesn’t speak directly to fan passion (or lack thereof) then I don’t know what does.

Not trying to be a dick, I’m trying to look at reality and understand on what measure is CU a more attractive add to the BIG than Stanford? I think some of you have a rosier view of dear old CU than the rest of the world (understandably).
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I post on Pac-12 boards and the general conference take is that Stanford's fanbase sucks. No way our fanbase sucks as much as Stanford.
 
hokiehead said:
making sure everyone noted the part about UT and OU saying they will honor their GoR commitments through 2025. I don't know anyway to interpret that other than they plan on staying in the XII until then.

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They'll pay the $$ to break the contract, or...(their hope) the Big 12 will cease to exist (it break up as teams leave for other conferences) and UT/OU won't have anyone left to pay.
 
hokiehead said:
making sure everyone noted the part about UT and OU saying they will honor their GoR commitments through 2025. I don't know anyway to interpret that other than they plan on staying in the XII until then.

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skibum said:
The big thing that you cannot seem to get by is answering why, after playing major conference football for over 100 years, these mythical "big money donors" of Stanford and Cal will magically start putting serious money into football.

Their donors have had a metric **** ton of money for decades, and some of them have stepped up to the plate to help fund other sports, but all of the sudden, they're going to magically step up and start supporting the football program for... reasons.

The odds are always better that people will continue the same things they've done for decades rather than change. Cal and Stanford do not have football fans (fans = people who give money to the AD for football, attend games and arrange their schedule to watch games on TV). They have alumni. There's a difference.

Here's Cal & Stanford's Alumni/Fan venn diagram (note: CSU's is similar):
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Impressive MS Paint skills. Stanford’s donors stepped up and paid for a new football stadium that they built in a single offseason, but we act like they’re struggling like we are.

This is a little old but illustrates the unique finances of Stanford’s AD. Here’s the money quote:
The way Stanford keeps up in the college-football arms race is to lean on private donations. As a result, almost everything the football program touches is endowed, from each of the school's 85 football scholarships to David Shaw's head-coaching position. Stanford's offensive coordinator is even known as the Andrew Luck Director of Offense in honor of an anonymous gift in 2012.
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