No, I’m saying that one of the providers of late games has been taken off the table. There’s one fewer conference to structure deals with. That particular conference provided much of the same content that we did.
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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
Fair enough, but it is a gamble.
Look what happened when Porsche tried to take over Volkswagen. Tread carefully.
College sports as we knew it is dead. For the rest of my time on earth, I'm going to just enjoy watching college sports regardless of conference affiliation.
this.
i don't see the p12 raiding the big 10.
i am hoping best case, the b10 decides to pull CU and maybe ku.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I have no idea what happened - I didn’t realize there were other vehicles besides RAM!!!!
Yeah, going into Texas and getting TCU, Houston, SMU and TTU (for example) wouldn't necessarily add value in the short term, but it's definitely something that should help recruiting for the entire conference over 5-7 years, and therefore increase the level of play. Problem is, will it pay off for the "Pac 16" quick enough before more major change happens?
FOX holds the cards now. ESPN has made its move and I can see ESPN going all in on the SEC and (perhaps most importantly) an expanded playoff and leaving the B1G to FOX. I think Wilner laid it out well.
But with the B1G partnering with FOX for BTN FOX and the B1G are probably joint at the hip like ESPN and the SEC.
It'd help if the playoff had multiple TV partners and if the P12 was partnered with say NBC or CBS like the other two are with ESPN and FOX.
Interesting idea but I think it would be a non-starter as far as those B1G schools are concerned. I’d also argue that the path of growth is more to the Southeast, VA, and the Carolinas than to the Pacific Coast states. The PAC12, except for Colorado and to an extent Utah, is geographically stranded and culturally stranded when it comes to football interest. The PAC12’s straits are much more dire than those of the B1G right now. I like to concept of seizing momentum but I ain’t seeing it in this case.
yep, if that doesnt happen we need to hope the cards fall the right way in the tv right negotiations so we can by some miracle gain some ground on the b1g and close the gap.
Don’t shoot me for saying this, but bailer has to be part of any discussion of adding Texas schools. They’re hypocritical criminal sleazebags, but they probably carry as much or more weight in Texas than any of the other programs we are talking about.
I need to go take a shower now.
I need to go take a shower now.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Imagine you’ve combined the cream of the crop from both conferences, but you still want to get to 20 schools. You have to chose one of the following 6 packs to include in your conference:
Colorado
Utah
Arizona
ASU
Wazzu
Oregon State
or:
Rutgers
Maryland
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Northwestern
which do you choose? If the bottom 3rd of the PAC is more attractive than the bottom 3rd of the BIG then maybe we should be doing the poaching!!
QC at Bama.
the small fish tried to eat the big fish and the small fish ended up getting eaten by the big fish
hint: the p12 isnt the big fish compared to the b1g
for 5m a year
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
A 12 school conference absorbs 8 from the another conference. We’re the big fish damnit! Crocodiles eat elephants all the time - just make sure you have a bunch of friends and chew slowly.
It is a bold move, but it's also one that can (likely) only be made when you're closer to the media contract expirations/negotiations.
If FOX wanted to make it happen, they could.
Of course, you're starting from the premise that neither conference would jettison members, which may be a fair premise.
Which option produces the biggest TV contract?
Option 1: B1G absorbs top of PAC
Option 2: PAC absorbs top of B1G
Option 3: Top 2/3 of both leagues create new superconference
Option 4: PAC & B1G create some sort of alliance
Option 3 is probably the most valuable, but is, by far, the hardest to coordinate. Between 1 & 2, I just don't know which one would be more valuable - it's not an easy call.
Option 4 could be structured so many ways, it's hard to say what the TV contracts could be (and do you do any sort of revenue share?). As one of many possible options, I think a relegation setup with upper/lower divisions in each conference and a coordinated scheduling arrangement between conferences could produce some great early season games between heavyweights (creating value), and you'd get some compelling late season games between unranked teams - (adding value to games that are currently nearly valueless in broadcast terms).
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Option 3 would be the most valuable, but puts CU at risk of being on the outside looking in.
Option 2 is best for CU which is all I really care about.
I know what I’m suggesting won’t happen but I believe the group that moves first is more likely to preserve itself and maintain control of their conference and I want that to be the Pac.
241Volcanos
Well-Known Member
Pac and Big need to partner ASAP and play 2 non-conf every year….and first 4 years of deal every top tier possibility needs on schedule with a big matchup every week at prime time slot (OSU-USC, UO-PSU, UW-Mich, CU-Wisc…)
The dirt road is a gritty ride
Went over the the Kansas 247 board and those guys seem awfully confident for school with multiple recent ongoing AD scandals and the worst P5 football program of the past decade considering they are facing an existential crisis for the athletic department. I'm pretty sure even Rutgers has had more success in football over a the past 10 - 12 years. They seem to think no statement from KU yet means they have a landing place already lined up and its likely the B1G...but I just don't see how that could be the case without a partner, and I doubt its ISU given ISU's hostage-crisis style video their leadership released yesterday.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Kansas has been part of a conference with unequal distributions for a while - would they (for example) take a 50% share to join the BIG? Would probably still be more than what they’d be left with in the Big 12.
If a B1G-PAC alliance is in the cards, then both conferences having the same number of schools makes sense. If the B1G doesn't expand, then I think the Pac-12 should add TTU and OSU and drop to 8 conference games, with two weeks reserved for a B1G - PAC crossover games
I think thats exactly what it means. When the P5 becomes the P4 thats one less mouth at the table to feed with roughly the same amount for Network TV to spend that has to go somewhere.
The only question is who buys the content and for how much? ESPN wins with this UT OU move for their SEC brand and Fox loses (Big XII implosion) something. CBS is also exiting its coverage of the SEC having been outbid by ESPN. So in theory CBS and Fox could suddenly be more interested in the Pac 12 Because they will both need to add content.
In my mind Fox sewing together the two conferences as traditional Rose Bowl rivals with it’s coverage has some compelling marketing narratives. Especially if they can engineer an out of conference matchup each weekend throughout the season. Combining the Pac 12 Nets and B1G Ten Nets into one place also could make things more interesting. Right now the B1G is also watching ESPN swallow up more and more things. And the more they do that the less time they have to put the B1G on TV. Less time on TV diminishes brand recognition. If you can go 100% to Fox who will put a lot more of your games in the best time slots then ESPN why wouldnt you? Money, sure.
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Agreed, but I don't thing the tortilla flingers add much. I'd do OK St and Kansas personally.
