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OSU or Alabama for NC against LSU?

OSU or Alabama

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Bama Charlie said:
If the SEC had not curbstomped the B12 in 2009, 2008, and 2003 for the title, had a 15-6 BSC record vs a 8-10 BSC record, and never lost a BCSCG you might have a point. Remember when B12 OU was put in the BCSCG vs USC over the undefeated barn? Looks like the voters do.
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My point is, Okie Lite won their conference and Bama didnt win their own division. Yes it's in the SEC and it was against LSU. They should have to take the good and the bad with being in that conference. I could care less what happened in years past, this is 2011 and voting shouldnt be based on what happened in previous years. Thats stupid because the teams are different and have different players. Since you mention other seasons, it wouldnt have mattered who played U$C that year.
 
I'm not gonna read 15 freakin pages, but this blows-up the playoff naysayers argument. The major point they make is that a playoff system will devalue the regular season. Well, this rematch makes the first game utterly meaningless. If Alabama had won, we would have the same championship game. At the very least, how about a freakin +1 system so the winner of the next highest pairing would play the LSU - Bama winner?
 
BuffLuKe said:
My point is, Okie Lite won their conference and Bama didnt win their own division. Yes it's in the SEC and it was against LSU. They should have to take the good and the bad with being in that conference. I could care less what happened in years past, this is 2011 and voting shouldnt be based on what happened in previous years. Thats stupid because the teams are different and have different players. Since you mention other seasons, it wouldnt have mattered who played U$C that year.
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If you think this doesn't matter you are wrong.

All-Time Winning Percentage, Championship Game Team Wins Loss LSU 2 - 0 Florida 2 - 0 Alabama 1 - 0 Auburn 1 - 0 Tennessee 1 - 0 Miami (Fla.) 1 - 1 USC 1 - 1 Texas 1 - 1 Florida St. 1 - 2 Ohio St. 1 - 2 Oklahoma 1 - 3 Nebraska 0 - 1 Oregon 0 - 1 Virginia Tech 0 - 1
 
Bama Charlie said:
So were you wrong or biased or did all the polls, voters, and computers get it wrong?
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Put me down as biased. I wanna see the best team Pickens can buy run straight into LSU's buzz saw.

But now that Bama is in, I have more love for the fine shade trees of Baton Rouge than I do for the Tide's FG kicker.
 
Bama Charlie said:
We may lose 4 games next year. It will be a terrible year.
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Once again, the arrogance shows.

First it was, "If we lose Saban, we'll just hire another coach that will win us another national title." And now 4 losses is a terrible year.

Yes Bama is one of the most storied programs in CF history, but you really should cherish the good times and feel blessed to have them. Remember it wasn't long ago that Bama was sucking it up and not even going to bowl games some years.
 
Congrats to Alabama and Charlie. I can only hope for the days that we are back in the MNC discussion.

I think that the BCS is correct by naming the top 2 teams. I don't like this system and I have been a playoff proponent since I started getting interested in college football. All this game does is pair the perceived top 2 teams for a bowl game. That is all it does. I wish there was more.... like an 8 team playoff with conference champions, but we dont have that.

if we had the old system, we would be watching:

Rose: Oregon v. Wisconsin
Orange: Oklahoma State v. Notre Dame (yes sarcasm)
Sugar: LSU v. Clemson
Fiesta: Notre Dame v. Texas (even more sarcasm)
Cotton: Texas v. Notre Dame (yes, still even more sarcasm)
 
I didn't read the full 15 pages, so this might be a repeat, but there is some good that comes out of this scenario, even if it would come along with some bull****.

Two "ifs" - but realistic ones - would have to happen, but: if Okie State rolls Stanford, which could happen, as Okie State is a lot like Oregon, AND Bama beats LSU by say, 17-14, you have a very good shot at a split national title - Okie State winning the AP poll (or the REAL poll, as I call it) and Bama winning the Bc$ title and the crystal football that means absolutely nothing.

That would be fun stuff.
 
CUBUFF80 said:
I'm not gonna read 15 freakin pages, but this blows-up the playoff naysayers argument. The major point they make is that a playoff system will devalue the regular season. Well, this rematch makes the first game utterly meaningless. If Alabama had won, we would have the same championship game. At the very least, how about a freakin +1 system so the winner of the next highest pairing would play the LSU - Bama winner?
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*cough*Cu-Texas-2001*cough*
 
So, let's say Alabama beats LSU by a fg in the MNC game. Does alabama get the MNC all to themselves? That can't be right because LSU beat them in their house too so wouldn't they share the title?
 
Bama Charlie said:
If you think this doesn't matter you are wrong.

All-Time Winning Percentage, Championship Game Team Wins Loss LSU 2 - 0 Florida 2 - 0 Alabama 1 - 0 Auburn 1 - 0 Tennessee 1 - 0 Miami (Fla.) 1 - 1 USC 1 - 1 Texas 1 - 1 Florida St. 1 - 2 Ohio St. 1 - 2 Oklahoma 1 - 3 Nebraska 0 - 1 Oregon 0 - 1 Virginia Tech 0 - 1
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I dont think it matters because those were seasons other than 2011. Im hardly wrong on it. Are u saying 2011 voting should be based upon BCS title game records of past years? Thats ****ing retarded. If thats the case, lets just have a seperate title game. One for the deserving SEC and everybody else can have one of their own.
 
BuffLuKe said:
I dont think it matters because those were seasons other than 2011. Im hardly wrong on it. Are u saying 2011 voting should be based upon BCS title game records of past years? Thats ****ing retarded. If thats the case, lets just have a seperate title game. One for the deserving SEC and everybody else can have one of their own.
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I realize you are biased but don't let that cloud your judgement so much. SEC has won the last 5 titles. Who cares? The SEC's best had beat the B12's best in the title game 3 times. That doesn't matter. The SEC kicks ass in the BSC. The B12 lays an egg. You did get the memo that the SEC's 2nd best team is better than the B12's best? The voters know if they put OSU in there they are giving the title to LSU.
 
buffsyko said:
So, let's say Alabama beats LSU by a fg in the MNC game. Does alabama get the MNC all to themselves? That can't be right because LSU beat them in their house too so wouldn't they share the title?
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BCS rules say winner of the game is the champion. Voters in polls not connected with the BCS can vote whoever they want. They can even vote themselves a People's National Championship like the barn did when your B12 champion was sent to the BCSCG over an SEC team and was slaughtered. Allbuffs can hold a poll to determine their champion. The crystal ball goes to the winner. What is Bama wins by 21 points? You still think LSU is the 'champion'?
 
Chuckles, if Bama wins you have proven nothing. Should LSU get a do-over in that case?
 
Buffarino said:
Chuckles, if Bama wins you have proven nothing. Should LSU get a do-over in that case?
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Did Florida have to go back and beat Ole Miss to win their MNC a couple of years ago?

This is the game that matters. Everybody knows it. SIAP it would not be the game if OSU had not choked.

"That invoked a little-known BCS bylaw, rule 10.3.1.14, which reads thusly: Any team that loses to Iowa State is automatically ineligible to win the national title." -Pat Forde
 
Buffarino said:
So only Alabama should get a do-over. Gotcha.
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I have tried to be reasonable with you. I have tried to explain things. The computers, the voters, and the polls agree with me. I really don't know what to say to you anymore. You are like some kind of caricature of an angry internet poster or just simply an angry internet poster. You sent me private messages to leave Allbuffs and then you reply to 90% of my posts. You remind me of my first ex-wife. I think I am going to break up with you if you keep on doing this.

Last Time: Bama is going to the BCSCG. If we win we are the champs. There will be no asterisk only a celebration in Ttown.
 
Bama Charlie said:
I have tried to be reasonable with you. I have tried to explain things. The computers, the voters, and the polls agree with me. I really don't know what to say to you anymore. You are like some kind of caricature of an angry internet poster or just simply an angry internet poster. You sent me private messages to leave Allbuffs and then you reply to 90% of my posts. You remind me of my first ex-wife. I think I am going to break up with you if you keep on doing this.

Last Time: Bama is going to the BCSCG. If we win we are the champs. There will be no asterisk only a celebration in Ttown.
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I guess you haven't explained why Alabama is more worthy than OSU, since OSU beat more ranked teams and actually won their conference. Your main arguement seems to be that bama is better so they should go, well if bama was so good they would have won their division and their conference.
 
I think it's hilarious that you think you just need to explain things to me and then I'll agree with you.

I understand how things work just fine, Chuckles. I do not agree with how they work. Explain away, I will never agree that Bama belongs in the NC game. And deep down you know that's true. Even you admitted there should not be any do-overs. But then you saw the opportunity to get in the NC game and your selfish desires overwhelmed your rational sense that Bama already had their shot and blew it.

BTW, I'm shocked that you have at least one ex-wife (I'm guessing you have more than one since you refer to your 'first' ex). You seem like such a level headed guy.
 
tante said:
I guess you haven't explained why Alabama is more worthy than OSU, since OSU beat more ranked teams and actually won their conference. Your main arguement seems to be that bama is better so they should go, well if bama was so good they would have won their division and their conference.
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Our league is better and our division is the best in CFA and everybody sees that except people in Stillwater and some of you. Championships should be about GOOD and not FAIR. If OSU wanted to play for the MNC they should have beat the clowns. They would have got a shot at that point even though everybody knows Bama is better than OSU. They lost to a terrible team that they were favored to beat by 28 points. We lost to LSU in OT. The rest of the US did not want to see another B12 team get slaughtered by an SEC team. They wanted the best game.
 
Buffarino said:
I think it's hilarious that you think you just need to explain things to me and then I'll agree with you.

I understand how things work just fine, Chuckles. I do not agree with how they work. Explain away, I will never agree that Bama belongs in the NC game. And deep down you know that's true. Even you admitted there should not be any do-overs. But then you saw the opportunity to get in the NC game and your selfish desires overwhelmed your rational sense that Bama already had their shot and blew it.

BTW, I'm shocked that you have at least one ex-wife (I'm guessing you have more than one since you refer to your 'first' ex). You seem like such a level headed guy.
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We didn't deserve a rematch until everybody else choked. They did so fair got left behind.
 
Bama Charlie said:
Our league is better and our division is the best in CFA and everybody sees that except people in Stillwater and some of you. Championships should be about GOOD and not FAIR. If OSU wanted to play for the MNC they should have beat the clowns. They would have got a shot at that point even though everybody knows Bama is better than OSU. They lost to a terrible team that they were favored to beat by 28 points. We lost to LSU in OT. The rest of the US did not want to see another B12 team get slaughtered by an SEC team. They wanted the best game.
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okay so lets see:

Our league is better and our division is the best in CFA and everybody sees that except people in Stillwater and some of you. - OPINION
They would have got a shot at that point even though everybody knows Bama is better than OSU. - OPINION
The rest of the US did not want to see another B12 team get slaughtered by an SEC team. - OPINION

They wanted the best game. - ZZZZZZ turnovers and field goals is the best the SEC could offer

So basically you just have a bunch of bull**** opinions on why bama should be there instead of numbers and facts like OSU has.
 
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