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Pac-12 expansion is now inevitable

Skippy started it and Jake Trotter is giving it traction. So much stupid.

Can you just imagine fUCLA considering leaving SC, Cal and Standard foe the short bus schools of the Big 12. From the Pacific Rim, academics, footprint, rivalries, school system, etc etc. I mean good freaking grief.
 
Buffs35 said:
The Wichita Eagle says their sources claim Arizona is top school on the list for Big 12 expansion.

Jake Trotter, from ESPN, "the only Power 5 possibility out there would be from the Pac-12, with UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State topping the wish list."
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Beyond ridiculous.
 
SD Buff said:
Skippy started it and Jake Trotter is giving it traction. So much stupid.

Can you just imagine fUCLA considering leaving SC, Cal and Standard foe the short bus schools of the Big 12. From the Pacific Rim, academics, footprint, rivalries, school system, etc etc. I mean good freaking grief.
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The best part of all this is going to be how these Texas-sized egos are going to float Pac-12 programs and SEC programs to their fans, get them excited about the possibility, and then end up announcing that they're bringing in 4 metro commuter schools from the AAC. Basically, the Big 12 is turning itself into the Big East before Miami and VA Tech left.
 
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Buffnik said:
The best part of all this is going to be how these Texas-sized egos are going to float Pac-12 programs and SEC programs to their fans, get them excited about the possibility, and then end up announcing that they're bringing in 4 metro commuter schools from the AAC. Basically, the Big 12 is turning itself into the Big East before Miami and VA Tech left.
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With less basketball prowess, and more rape.
 
It may not be UCLA or this year but if the Pac12 continues to fall behind the other conferences in terms of revenue there is a real possibility of schools getting poached down the road. Everyone has a price and schools that compete nationally aren't going to be happy falling behind financially.
 
NW Buff said:
It may not be UCLA or this year but if the Pac12 continues to fall behind the other conferences in terms of revenue there is a real possibility of schools getting poached down the road. Everyone has a price and schools that compete nationally aren't going to be happy falling behind financially.
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The Big 12 is not going to open up that kind of revenue gap. Even getting pro rata for their TV contract - they'll remain behind the PAC til at least 2024. They purposely mislead their fans on their "Tier 3" revenue. And when they expand, they'll no longer be dividing the NCAA money by 10, which is how they closed the gap to begin with. Yeah, they reported 30 million FY2016 and it will probably be higher than the PAC announces next May for our FY2016 - but it's not remotely the kind of gap that would have a school like UCLA thinking of moving.

Not to mention conference distribution is but a fraction of an athletic departments total revenue. I guess conceivably the Arizona's could join the other short bus schools of the Big 12 and feel at home. But really hard for me to see the school's even consider leaving the LA schools and the original PAC 8.

If the Big 12 expands they'll be doing so with G5 schools who they can then force to take smaller portions of the pro rata TV money and conference distribution. Big 12 propaganda will insist on trying to close the gap - whether real or simply stated.

The real humor in all this is reading Texas fans insist they aren't signing a GOR extension b/c they're planning on joining the B1G or ACC soon. This is all a pretense to clear their path. Big 12 - 2 - 2 + 2 + 4 -2
 
SD Buff said:
The Big 12 is not going to open up that kind of revenue gap. Even getting pro rata for their TV contract - they'll remain behind the PAC til at least 2024. They purposely mislead their fans on their "Tier 3" revenue. And when they expand, they'll no longer be dividing the NCAA money by 10, which is how they closed the gap to begin with. Yeah, they reported 30 million FY2016 and it will probably be higher than the PAC announces next May for our FY2016 - but it's not remotely the kind of gap that would have a school like UCLA thinking of moving.

Not to mention conference distribution is but a fraction of an athletic departments total revenue. I guess conceivably the Arizona's could join the other short bus schools of the Big 12 and feel at home. But really hard for me to see the school's even consider leaving the LA schools and the original PAC 8.

If the Big 12 expands they'll be doing so with G5 schools who they can then force to take smaller portions of the pro rata TV money and conference distribution. Big 12 propaganda will insist on trying to close the gap - whether real or simply stated.

The real humor in all this is reading Texas fans insist they aren't signing a GOR extension b/c they're planning on joining the B1G or ACC soon. This is all a pretense to clear their path. Big 12 - 2 - 2 + 2 + 4 -2
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I agree with you for now and really doubt that any Pac12 schools are seriously thinking about jumping. My point is more about the Pac12 network and needing to get our own house in order.
 
SD Buff said:
The Big 12 is not going to open up that kind of revenue gap. Even getting pro rata for their TV contract - they'll remain behind the PAC til at least 2024. They purposely mislead their fans on their "Tier 3" revenue. And when they expand, they'll no longer be dividing the NCAA money by 10, which is how they closed the gap to begin with. Yeah, they reported 30 million FY2016 and it will probably be higher than the PAC announces next May for our FY2016 - but it's not remotely the kind of gap that would have a school like UCLA thinking of moving.

Not to mention conference distribution is but a fraction of an athletic departments total revenue. I guess conceivably the Arizona's could join the other short bus schools of the Big 12 and feel at home. But really hard for me to see the school's even consider leaving the LA schools and the original PAC 8.

If the Big 12 expands they'll be doing so with G5 schools who they can then force to take smaller portions of the pro rata TV money and conference distribution. Big 12 propaganda will insist on trying to close the gap - whether real or simply stated.

The real humor in all this is reading Texas fans insist they aren't signing a GOR extension b/c they're planning on joining the B1G or ACC soon. This is all a pretense to clear their path. Big 12 - 2 - 2 + 2 + 4 -2
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Whatever happened with that study the Pac-12 was doing last year about bundling all the media from all the schools instead of having individual licenses brokered by IMG et al (I think they call this Tier 3)? I never heard what came of that. Looked like a way to leverage for more revenue per school than anyone was able to get on its own.
 
Sacky hates Texas and it's understandable to a point but they act like they do because they can. They are the best school academically in the big 12 and probably athletically too. They are by far the best destination but all of that changes if they were to join the PAC. You have USC who is probably superior athletically, Stanford and cal who are better academically, and most of the destinations are just as good or better than Austin. I actually think it would humble Texas a little bit.
 
My gawd the delusions over at Ramnation, tho. To them it's totally obvious that FTC is a way better football destination than Austin.
 
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CSU's best chance is the Big 12 goes to 14 and the PAC is left scrambling to go to 14
 
onealcd said:
Sacky hates Texas and it's understandable to a point but they act like they do because they can. They are the best school academically in the big 12 and probably athletically too. They are by far the best destination but all of that changes if they were to join the PAC. You have USC who is probably superior athletically, Stanford and cal who are better academically, and most of the destinations are just as good or better than Austin. I actually think it would humble Texas a little bit.
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Hahahahaha. Oh, Boy. That's rich.
 
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You laugh but that school has already been humbled quite a bit the last two seasons.
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I don't know that "humbled" is the right word, but I certainly get the sense that the voices who were saying the Dodds was going way overboard with the bullying, national branding, etc. are now being heard.
 
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CSU's best chance is the Big 12 goes to 14 and the PAC is left scrambling to go to 14
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CSUs best chance doesn't exist.

You can look at academic fit and athletic history and market growth and everything else. The bottom line on the whole thing is money and CSU is far behind when it comes to present and future ability to generate revenue. Adding CSU to the PAC would cost other PAC schools millions of dollars each year.

Put them in the B12 or the PAC, do you honestly think that magically brings their football attendance to 35k a game which is still substantially behind what it would take to make them revenue neutral in one of those conferences. Do you think that people magically start tuning in their games on TV? Same situation.

I hate Texas and agree with Sacky on them being a cancer no matter where they are. That doesn't stop conferences from wanting them because they can sell 70-100k tickets at home no matter who the opponent is. They sell 10k tickets on the road if they can get them. And they sell those tickets at premium prices. When they are on TV eyeballs are on the screen. Texas generates $$$$$$ and they know it, that is why they can be arrogant and get away with it.

There are at least 6-8 schools in the western half of the US that are substantially better from a money standpoint than CSU.

If UCLA were to somehow go to the B12 then that conference would stretch from the Atlantic to the Pacific, geographic gloves would come off and the PAC may end up going east of Texas for prospective members.
 
dio said:
Do PAC schools have veto power on new members? I wonder if CU could be convinced to take CSU
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No veto. But it is a super majority to approve expansion. It takes 9 of 12 approving.
 
TSchekler said:
Would people want to see CSU join the Pac?
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There's a part of me that really likes the paired in-state rivalries in the Pac-12. UO-OSU, UW-WSU, USC-UCLA, Cal-Furd, UA-ASU. So pairing CU with CSU or AFA while pairing Utah with BYU or USU has a certain appeal.

More over, I wish that none of the states divided affiliations with power conference teams in different conferences. Iowa and ISU should be together. UGA-GA Tech, Clemson-SCar, Penn State-Pitt, UT-TTU-TCU-aTm-BU, UF-FSU-Miami, Kentucky-Louisville. Regionality and local rivalries are a big part of what make college football different and special.

But unless the television networks take over the alignments, this isn't how the modern landscape works. When the conferences are competing with each other for media markets instead of it being a national league with a focus on maximizing fan interest within each market, it changes the dynamics considerably. Texas Tech is more valuable to the Pac-12 than it is to the Big 12. Virginia Tech would be more valuable to the B1G than to the ACC. A national body would be more concerned with filling stadiums and drawing the biggest possible number from each game on the schedule, not with gaining additional distribution for a conference.

So, in the world that is, CSU makes no sense for the Pac-12. It would cost other members millions while diluting an already mediocre state for recruiting. Even a New Mexico, Boise State, UNLV and SDSU - which bring new states or major western metros and drivable games for conference members that would do well for fan base building - they don't even move the needle since the conference already has PACN distribution in those places. Under the current format, it's pretty much Pac-12 expansion into Texas or standing pat.
 
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I like the idea of CSU in the P5 for the sake of college football in CO. I do like the rivalry and it would legitimize it for the first time. With that said, my insecurities surrounding CU's lack of success the past decade both on the field and in recruiting, conflicts with those feelings as I really don't want legitimate competition for the few P5 level in-state recruits we do produce.
 
As much as their delusional fans completely chap my ass, I think them joining the Big12 would ultimately be better for college football in Colorado. Maybe more Broncos fans would take more interest in the college game, leading to more fans for us and for CSU. I'm OK with them filling their stadium if we can get back to us filling ours. Plus the pressure would lessen for us in any meeting with them; because it's more of a quality win and less of a damaging loss. That said, I don't want them in the Pac12 and they'd be a bad fit for the conference anyway.

Besides; they won't make as easy a transition as Utah did into the Pac12. They would quickly realize that 7+ P5 level opponents per year is not the same as 2-3; at least from the perspective of where their recruiting has been lately. They'll have to fight their way from the bottom, although they might be able to beat Kansas their first year.
 
Buffnik said:
There's a part of me that really likes the paired in-state rivalries in the Pac-12. UO-OSU, UW-WSU, USC-UCLA, Cal-Furd, UA-ASU. So pairing CU with CSU or AFA while pairing Utah with BYU or USU has a certain appeal.

More over, I wish that none of the states divided affiliations with power conference teams in different conferences. Iowa and ISU should be together. UGA-GA Tech, Clemson-SCar, Penn State-Pitt, UT-TTU-TCU-aTm-BU, UF-FSU-Miami, Kentucky-Louisville. Regionality and local rivalries are a big part of what make college football different and special.
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Agree. I like being able to argue with people at the water cooler. When I lived in Florida it was constant between UM, UF, and FSU alums. Whereas now were on an island.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Agree. I like being able to argue with people at the water cooler. When I lived in Florida it was constant between UM, UF, and FSU alums. Whereas now were on an island.
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I wish I could find another water cooler; most Ramfans will insist that they've now surpassed Colorado despite having lost the last game, the last 2 of 3, the last 6 of 10, etc.; and despite their pathetic attendance.
 
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