Location no. However, just looking at figures they’ve probably lost a million dollars a year per school purely based off where they are currently paying rent
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Pac-12 hires MGM's George Kliavkoff to replace Larry Scott as commissioner
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California politicians have been exporting thousands of jobs for years.
So are we done talking about location and ready to move on to how he does his job? I’m curious what steps he can take to improve conference perception and help us win a championship? He can’t recruit or coach so what tools does he have and what tools can he develop? I know money is a big part and a discussion of his media experience is welcomed, but what else can he do? Fixing scheduling comes to mind. No away games for a team coming off of an after dark game? What else?
nannybumpkins
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Sorry if this has been discussed already, but I want to know what relationship he can build with ESPN. Guessing, but it seems that 99% of CFB fans get ALL their info from ESPN. And ESPN does nothing but trash the PAC12. If we can get them to talk about us (specifically in a positive light) and get them to shut Paul Finebaum up, then we will look way better in the eyes of sports fans and potentially in the eyes of recruits. Again, sorry if this is redundant to what everyone else is saying, but I hate that CU gets a new ESPN article once a month, but Mizzou, Arkansas, and Mississippi State gets multiple per week just because they're in the SEC. (Though all three of those teams probably have more die-hard fans than the Buffs, so maybe that is the real reason). Basically I know nothing and have no answers. Thank you for listening
I'd be happy with them never showing Paul Finebaum's ugly face on TV ever again.
With the SEC signing their new deal with espn, fox sports is probably the best bet and it’s based in LA.
Um,or we could try some actual winning. That tends to look better and work better than spin.
The big question is will ESPN / ABC be a bidder for tier 1 rights? There have been financial troubles at Disney. But id they can lock the games behind the ESPN+ paywall and get everyone to fork over $10 month to see the games we could have a deal. But that dealis bad for conference exposure. And Im not sure we would ever get to push any SEC or ACC games off the schedule for normal hours.
"Try winning". Thanks, Miami. Not winning is the biggest symptom of the much larger issue the conference has faced over the last 5-6 years.
nannybumpkins
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Winning would be nice, I'll give you that. But to deny the overwhelming importance of media narrative in the college game is silly. Texas, Michigan, Miami - they don't have to win to get media coverage or recruiting interests. That's because they're brand is respected. It would be nice to get that respect for whichever PAC12 team is winning the conference.
For example, no one will shut up about Iowa State (me included because I think it's a cool story), but no one says they are winning because the BIG12 is bad, they say Iowa State is good. But if Oregon State wins the PAC12, the narrative would be, wow, the PAC12 sucks. That's more what I mean.
Correct. Hopefully CBS is interested as well.
Are you trying to say that it's a money(1a) problem? Or are you trying to say the conference is mismanaged? Or that the individual schools are mismanaging their coaching? Or are you saying its a media exposure(1b) problem. Certainly there is room for improvement at all four points.
1ab. Westerners in the Pac12 footprint dont have the passion for football as a percentage of the population that the Southeast or Midwest has. Our stadiums have empty seats. Thus, we are unlikely to ever bring the TV audience the SEC, ACC or B1G can and we will likely not ever get the rights payouts those schools get but we will probably get closer once the 2022 deal is done. I suspect our audience is more educated and has more spending power than theirs and advertisers like that audience. Were just not going to be #1.
Overall the conference has struggled to hire coaches in some places. The coaches they have hired have struggled to win and recruit. And in some case big name hires were difficult to retain. The SEC and ACC will always best us in these places because they will hire more "consultants" or "quality control" experts (coaches in waiting) and they have no admission standards to speak of. Everyone likes to make fun of NU and the stain that was Laurence Phillips. Once some rules were imposed on them they stopped being the machine. But thats how you become a winner for the most part. My impression is the Presidents are unwilling to be that while in the South thats not so much the case.
Money might not fix the things like wins.
Distribution for the P12N should be the #1 focus for Kliavoff and he's certainly an expert in drawing fans to live events.
Top west coast recruits and even AZ recruits are going east of the Rockies so their families can watch them on TV or even their phones. Fans with money burning a hole in their pockets after watching a big win on the television would be more than happy to give that money to their favorite team. Advertisers will pay more money if they know that those central and eastern time zone CFB fans will stay up to watch those games and that means a better payday for the AD down the road in an never ending cycle.
If the P12N gets on ESPN+, that will make a huge difference. If it can get on Youtube TV for instance, that will make a huge difference too. The SEC signed that CBS contract for the first time in 1996...should I add anything further? With that new ESPN contract, it's obvious the SEC hasn't hit its peak yet and the SEC is going to dominate CFB for a little longer. P12N on CBS All Access? I'd sign up for that.
Top west coast recruits and even AZ recruits are going east of the Rockies so their families can watch them on TV or even their phones. Fans with money burning a hole in their pockets after watching a big win on the television would be more than happy to give that money to their favorite team. Advertisers will pay more money if they know that those central and eastern time zone CFB fans will stay up to watch those games and that means a better payday for the AD down the road in an never ending cycle.
If the P12N gets on ESPN+, that will make a huge difference. If it can get on Youtube TV for instance, that will make a huge difference too. The SEC signed that CBS contract for the first time in 1996...should I add anything further? With that new ESPN contract, it's obvious the SEC hasn't hit its peak yet and the SEC is going to dominate CFB for a little longer. P12N on CBS All Access? I'd sign up for that.
They have plenty to give....
| 2020 | ||
|---|---|---|
| State or Territory | Nominal GDP at Current Prices | GDP per capita |
| California | 3,091,871.5 | $79,437 |
| Texas | 1,759,734.4 | $63,608 |
| New York | 1,699,044.7 | $91,057 |
Everything you said is correct, and it all leads back to money. Hiring and retaining head coaches, hiring and retaining assistant coaches, recruiting infrastructures and budgets, etc. Those are the things that most directly impact winning in college football and the majority of the Pac 12 hasn't really been able to compete with any programs in the SEC/BIG and a handful of programs in the ACC and Big 12.
Distribution for the Pac 12N needs to come with a much higher production value than the abomination that is currently on display there. No distributor is paying to have a network that shows reruns of conference Volleyball tournaments.
We should also have the choice of what we want to watch. ESPN+ has all of those volleyball re-runs you could watch but I watch zero of them because I'm watching football in that case.
People in Texas are just lazy.
I've thoroughly dragged that number down over the last year.
Honestly, I would love it if CBS gave us the same kind of exposure that the SEC got during their run with CBS. What a great branding vehicle. Gotta hope CBS wants to stay in the college football game.
To be fair, Texas' GDP per capita may be better than California's when normalized for the cost of living.
Texas is still the first stop for a huge number of 1st generation immigrants. Many of these are Latin American, but Texas' cities have huge populations of Middle Eastern, South & East Asians, and a growing number of Africans.
This. Both CBS and Fox still want in the college football game and the Pac 12 needs to be all over this.
1. Restructure your whole media contract and include anything and everything. Be innovative as I think Amazon and the like will want some of this pie. Don't leave anyone out even if it means taking less in turn.
2. Make it known that football and basketball drive everything and support the hell out of that. Make that a statement that is a positive to other sports.
2. Get your network on one of the big networks. This is how you pump up publicity and helps with your overall expenses.
3. Relocate your offices to somewhere less ****ty and expensive. Vegas makes so much sense in so many ways. Entertainment capital of the world.
4. Get as many games in the prime time slots as you can. Pac 12 will always have some games later, due to location, but this needs to be minimal.
5. Explain to your Schools that you support them in any way possible to be as competitive as possible. Cheat if you have to, but we won't be in the way of doing that.
6. I said this before, but be innovative with college athletics. Support sports gambling, NIL, as much streaming platforms as possible, etc. Don't leave any stone unturned that can result in added revenue.
7. Don't follow. Be a leader in college athletics, even if it means not the most popular decision, but can result in added revenue and exposure for the conference down the road. 2020 showed us how terrible the leadership was in the Pac 12 and it was baaaaaaaad.
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I think people forget that cbs didn’t have a very large inventory of games like fox and espn have and it would be shocking for them to give up the sec and then increase their inventory.
Yes, they were. I was answering this question that you asked: “What other conference has their HQ in a state where there isnt a conf member?”
Fox would most certainly be your ESPN as they have the regional networks.
CBS doesn't have the inventory because I don't think they have the channels to do so, at least from what I know. You've got CBS and CBS Sports. Maybe Paramount becomes a regional channel for college football.
We don't need CBS to have a big inventory.