I don’t think it is now. I think this is a new dawn and factors that may have been important 10 years ago don’t have nearly the same importance now.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I don’t think it is now. I think this is a new dawn and factors that may have been important 10 years ago don’t have nearly the same importance now.
Being in the P12, it felt like we were the rustics out on the fringes, rejected by the snobs of the coast. We lost a lot of the secret sauce that set us apart when we moved to a homogenous conference of academic liberal bastions in pretty places that don’t care about football.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SNOBS AND WE HATE FLAT STATES FULL OF HICKS
I want to see CU roll into some little sh*thole town in a cornfield and crush the only thing those farmers care about. Football is precious to these hicks and there’s nothing I relish more than beating them on the field and reminding them of their poverty states. Political differences between states? Thank god, that adds to the heat too.
I want passion and hatred in my CFB. I love reading all the Big12 fans already whining about us coming back after abandoning them.
These away games destinations in the Big 12 suck and that’s what I like. I don’t go to games to enjoy the view, I do it to get hammered, watch football, and talk sh*t. Waco is an environment significantly more conducive to this behavior than San Francisco
Give me the Big 12 and let me hate our conference opponents again please
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SNOBS AND WE HATE FLAT STATES FULL OF HICKS
I want to see CU roll into some little sh*thole town in a cornfield and crush the only thing those farmers care about. Football is precious to these hicks and there’s nothing I relish more than beating them on the field and reminding them of their poverty states. Political differences between states? Thank god, that adds to the heat too.
I want passion and hatred in my CFB. I love reading all the Big12 fans already whining about us coming back after abandoning them.
These away games destinations in the Big 12 suck and that’s what I like. I don’t go to games to enjoy the view, I do it to get hammered, watch football, and talk sh*t. Waco is an environment significantly more conducive to this behavior than San Francisco
Give me the Big 12 and let me hate our conference opponents again please
Baylor is in effing Waco!
now this is an interesting take. unhinged, disturbing, and possibly rooted in some scary core truths, but interesting...
Hyperbole is my jam
Seriously tho I’m way in favor of brand and cultural differentiation when it comes to our situation. I think being grafted onto a conference where you’re a watered down version of existing members is bad for fan engagement, recruiting that footprint, exposure, and bad for rivalry interest.
People rally around teams much stronger in all sports when there are significant off-field differences such as culture or income but relatively close geography between teams.
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As one of the few people on this board whose fandom for CU hasn’t slipped into complete apathy, I’m really struggling to decide which outcome I’d prefer for CU in all of this.
Invited to the B1G
Heart: It would solidify that CU is still viewed as a relevant institution and program despite the lack of recent success. It would provide them with all the monies and allow for “the dream” to remain alive with the hope of hiring good coaches and getting good recruits.
Head: CU would continue to remain a miserable bottom feeder, getting raced by 75% of the conference, but at least wiping tears with $$$$
Big 12
Heart: Not pumped about the idea of playing in a clear second rate conference that will struggle to have any team vie for a championship
Head: This probably represents the best chance for CU to compete and it’s still a decent conference a step above the G5s
Invited to the B1G
Heart: It would solidify that CU is still viewed as a relevant institution and program despite the lack of recent success. It would provide them with all the monies and allow for “the dream” to remain alive with the hope of hiring good coaches and getting good recruits.
Head: CU would continue to remain a miserable bottom feeder, getting raced by 75% of the conference, but at least wiping tears with $$$$
Big 12
Heart: Not pumped about the idea of playing in a clear second rate conference that will struggle to have any team vie for a championship
Head: This probably represents the best chance for CU to compete and it’s still a decent conference a step above the G5s
Stanford women’s golf team is one of the best college golf teams ever assembled, and yes, their facilities are sick. If anyone is into college golf, there is a great “week in the life” of that team.
BerkeleyBuff
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I'm with you. Of course I'm somewhat hoping for a B1G acceptance, because Nebraska and $$$$$. But IF we were in a Big XII with ASU, Arizona, Utah, BYU, and some old Big 8 brethren, that's honestly not bad at all. College football is about regionality and rivalries to me. The B1G offers us money and the true rival. The Big XII (potentially) offers us a regional cohort with the at least some potential for multiple semi-rivalries, along with a much better chance (in theory) to compete.
The hope with a B1G application and acceptance is that it would signal that CU might embrace a “second chance” opportunity to emphasize athletics.
If they truly aren’t interested in investing in athletics, I can’t imagine they would even apply for membership
SeanMSan
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Yes!! Growing up (albeit in Omaha, NE) in the late 80’s and all through the 90’s, this was part of the mystique of CU Buffs football! The team, the school, the fans had an air to them that they were coming to town and were going to be smarter, tougher, and stomp on whatever the other school had to offer, then leave. Then when it came to going into Boulder, they unwillingly welcomed the team and fans in, then stomped the hell out that team and waived middle fingers until the bus’s taillights faded into the horizon of the flat lands.
I always felt that college football in the plains states was for grandpas back when I was younger. Maybe it was hanging out at my grandparents and hearing games on KFAB AM radio, and hearing about teams from Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma? I didn’t realize that CU was in the same conference until I was nearly in middle school.
ahoelsken
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We've had two bowl bids since GB was fired. I'm more concerned about competing for those than championships right now lol.
I think the key question is how much you like football purely as a game regardless of the level it’s played at. Answer that one for yourself and I think you have your answer to the question above.
Three.
It’s a mixture of both for me. Love watching the Buffs play, but I don’t think it would be nearly the same if they were in the MWC for example. I think the reworked Big12 would probably present a happy medium.
I grew up in Texas and Oklahoma, but my perspective was exactly the same as yours.
Colorado football had this level of mystique to us Texas and Oklahoma kids that I think didn’t exist for California kids the same way. It is difficult to quantify, but I think largely impacted us in a negative way after the move. I think replacing the Texans with Californians in the student body after the move also hurt our own engagement as well, so going to a Texas based conference will bring enrollment that cares again.
I think a move to playing those types of schools again could actually be a shot in the arm. I think our homogeneity with the P12 fostered a conference based identity and let us get complacent instead of our old identity of us vs the conference. I hope going back would remind us what it’s like to be in football country again
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I wonder if the B1 leveraged both schools to start up a hockey program?
Terrible thought..we could wind up being 0 - 16/17 vs SC
Terrible thought..we could wind up being 0 - 16/17 vs SC
BerkeleyBuff
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SeanMSan
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When they show up to the arena in Rollerblades, would that be considered a culture shock?
Whatever works for you, man. I think that's a question everyone has to answer for him or herself. There's an option for everyone but there's a tradeoff.
Stanford's baseball and women's basketball teams are also regular national championship contenders
Let's go for the Trifecta. Drop down to FCS, join the Big Sky - cure cancer, heart disease, and Parkinsons !!
Good comparison here but I'm 100% holding out hope for the B1G because that would would put CU in a football-emphasized conference and would hopefully get the admini to step it up as you noted in your subsequent post. And yes the Big 12 also heavily emphasizes football but the B1G is at the top tier.
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Ex Fox exec believes Oregon and UW only bring about $60m combined to the B1G, which is well shy of the $143m combined needed to maintain equal share (estimated each school gets $71.5m/year).
That hurts. I thought for sure they would bring in more. I wonder what his estimates for ucla/usc would have been. After skimming it seems like he only takes the paid tv subscribers in the area into account. Not sure that the tv market in Eugene tells the whole story of Oregon's value.
You will get a good preview of a culture clash with Auburn playing at Cal next year
Well, as usual, if a longtime lurker like me is posting, it ain't because good things are happening.
I too hold out hope for the BIG (Nebraska rivalry is a key factor for me...having no REAL rivals in the Pac-12 mattered more than most of us probably thought. The recent out-of-conference NU games have shown that even the fumes of that rivalry, at least on the CU side of things, was a bigger deal even after years of not playing that anything in the Pac). Even as a doormat in the BIG we'd have that to look forward to.
But when I was at CU we were in the BIg-8. Believe me, we saw that as more than competitive enough for our situation. The key difference between now and then though might be that someone from our conference back then could still somehow compete with anyone else in the sport (If you ended the season top-5 in the polls, that's what mattered in a national championship sense. If you beat everyone in the Big-8 you were probably going to be in that position).
So to me the question is can you still see a way to a great outcome if you are in a bad (bad is subjective) conference if you have a great year (or put together a few special seasons)? Even recently teams in less prestigious conferences have at least been in the national conversation when they've had very good seasons.
Now in this new world in which we are heading is something like that going to be possible? I don't know. But if it IS (even if we are looking at long shot situations here) how different is this from how things were in the BIG 8? And I only probably need remind the younguns on this site that the Big 8 era was the best in CU history (again, probably a subjective statement...but I think defensible).
Let's also remember that the Pac itself is/was falling behind. We were going to find ourselves in a less important conference just staying in the Pac-12. So even if the LA schools stay the big boys in the sport were pulling away from us. But, just like in the Big 8, if you managed to catch lighting in a bottle one season, there was a road open for you to do special things.
I guess my point is that if you remember CU as the liberal Western Edge of a conservative south-midwestern college football conference then ending up playing all those "flyover state" schools just seems like returning to tradition...not ditching it.
Sorry for the wall of text.
I too hold out hope for the BIG (Nebraska rivalry is a key factor for me...having no REAL rivals in the Pac-12 mattered more than most of us probably thought. The recent out-of-conference NU games have shown that even the fumes of that rivalry, at least on the CU side of things, was a bigger deal even after years of not playing that anything in the Pac). Even as a doormat in the BIG we'd have that to look forward to.
But when I was at CU we were in the BIg-8. Believe me, we saw that as more than competitive enough for our situation. The key difference between now and then though might be that someone from our conference back then could still somehow compete with anyone else in the sport (If you ended the season top-5 in the polls, that's what mattered in a national championship sense. If you beat everyone in the Big-8 you were probably going to be in that position).
So to me the question is can you still see a way to a great outcome if you are in a bad (bad is subjective) conference if you have a great year (or put together a few special seasons)? Even recently teams in less prestigious conferences have at least been in the national conversation when they've had very good seasons.
Now in this new world in which we are heading is something like that going to be possible? I don't know. But if it IS (even if we are looking at long shot situations here) how different is this from how things were in the BIG 8? And I only probably need remind the younguns on this site that the Big 8 era was the best in CU history (again, probably a subjective statement...but I think defensible).
Let's also remember that the Pac itself is/was falling behind. We were going to find ourselves in a less important conference just staying in the Pac-12. So even if the LA schools stay the big boys in the sport were pulling away from us. But, just like in the Big 8, if you managed to catch lighting in a bottle one season, there was a road open for you to do special things.
I guess my point is that if you remember CU as the liberal Western Edge of a conservative south-midwestern college football conference then ending up playing all those "flyover state" schools just seems like returning to tradition...not ditching it.
Sorry for the wall of text.
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The reason I like the Big 12 move it that, while there are many solid football brands, there is no established blue bloods.
The move gives us an opportunity to reset and it will be exciting to see who establishes themselves as the team to beat in the new conference.
It is kinda like the beginning of a horse race.
The move gives us an opportunity to reset and it will be exciting to see who establishes themselves as the team to beat in the new conference.
It is kinda like the beginning of a horse race.
Been said in one way or another, but jumping back to the Big 12 with Zona/ASU/Utah is a good match for both sides. Expands the conference in a way that is not totally crazy and both sides enter the arrangement knowing everyone truly needs everyone else. The Big 8 tradition is a nice little bonus.