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To what end? Punishment? Punish those involved with the crime and the cover-up, but why would you punish an entire community for crimes they did not commit?
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Paterno is out tonight / Possible riots at PSU?
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To what end? Punishment? Punish those involved with the crime and the cover-up, but why would you punish an entire community for crimes they did not commit?
I don't see how the $100,000 UNSECURED bail, and letting the guy walk isn't a bigger story. The judge is friends and a volunteer at the foundation, as Jimmy had said.
Prosecution had asked for $500,000 bail, but instead he walks (briefly) without paying a dime. **** is messed up in happy valley.
Prosecution had asked for $500,000 bail, but instead he walks (briefly) without paying a dime. **** is messed up in happy valley.
Classic, ain't it? We just need to slow down so bigbang can catch up...
I don't think they should shut down the FB program, but I do think they should consider shutting it down for the rest of this season. The reason being I think a lot of folks out in Happy Valley need to remember football is just a game. It seems to me that some priorities need to be readjusted out there.
I saw an ESPN piece on Saturday night on their game vs. the Holers. The amount of folks who think Paterno has somehow been wronged in all this is shocking.
What would shutting the program do? That not only punishes people at Penn St who have done nothing wrong, it punishes the entire BiG conference. It punishes schools on future schedules that had absolutely nothing to do with this. This is part of that ripple effect that I'm very concerned about. I think this is going to have an impact on every college football program in the country. Knee jerk reactions are always en vogue in situations like this. I think it might be prudent for some folks to step back, take a deep breath, and really think about where we all go from here.
Like Franco Harris? lol.
Exactly. Franco is an asshat.
I tend to agree with the program being shut down for the rest of the year. There are way too many clouds hanging over the coaching staff on this. I feel for the players and the community, but what has happened is astronomically more significant than missing a few college football games. I think it might also be an opportunity for everyone involved to allow the significance of what really happened sink in.
I Would agree with closing the program down for the rest of the season but I think that unfairly punishes the players who had nothing to do with this and punishes the other schools who would play them.
My preferred solution would be to finish out the season, then decline any bowl invitation. That would effectively place the program in it's appropriate place in the minds of the fans and other supporters.
Follow this with a complete removal off all football staff and all athletic department staff including media relations, etc. who have and relation to the promotion and oversight of the football program. Replace the coaching staff with people who are not connected in any way to the prior program.
I would also petition the NCAA to allow any players who so desire to transfer without penalty or sitting out.
My preferred solution would be to finish out the season, then decline any bowl invitation. That would effectively place the program in it's appropriate place in the minds of the fans and other supporters.
Follow this with a complete removal off all football staff and all athletic department staff including media relations, etc. who have and relation to the promotion and oversight of the football program. Replace the coaching staff with people who are not connected in any way to the prior program.
I would also petition the NCAA to allow any players who so desire to transfer without penalty or sitting out.
While I don't disagree that the players will suffer from this and unfairly, again put some perspective into it. Some football players bummed about not getting to finish playing some sports is NOTHING compared to what has occurred to the victims of this. Football doesn't mean **** in this situation. As for the other teams, they get a free win with PSU forfeiting and a bye. I don't think they will be overly disappointed.
As I said, I wouldn't have a problem either way. I don't think it will happen but some significant action should be taken for exactly the point made by others in this thread. The idea that a football program is more important than a university and especially more important the lives of the victims cannot be allowed to continue. Real action has to be taken, if for no other reason than to make others think twice before repeating something like this again.
Im kinda back and forth on the shutting down the season. On one hand, it sends the right message. On the other, the players lose out on why they came to Penn St. in the first place. It's a decision Im glad I dont have to make. Saying that, football is **** compared to what went on here. Heard this lady from that charity on tv this morning. She basically said Sandusky set up that charity to have readily available kids, I think she's right. What a sick mother****er and the amount of his bond is a joke, that judge is an asshat.
Don't shut it down. Take all revenues (not profit, GROSS) and put them into charities.
This is something the Big 10 could actually do. I'm not sure they would, or if it's allowable according to the Big 10 bylaws, but the conference controls a big portion of the revenues that go to each school. If the Big 10 wants to send a message, this would be a good way to do it. I doubt they will, but who knows?
End of the day, its all about the green. Making a donation to a charity would be a good way to go.
I would be all for this. Putting your money where your mouth is.
Loyalty is a strange thing. Especially when it involves someone as iconic at Paterno. If I had to guess, I would venture that a big part of the man Franco Harris is and a large part of his accomplishments are attributed by him to the influence of Joe Paterno. At a subconscious level, he probably feels attacked personally by all of this and is acting in defense of Joe out of a misguided sense of self preservation. It obviously does not take away the fact that a moral responsibility was ignored by Paterno in not doing what we would like to think we or any of our heroes would have done to stop the abuse, but there are a lot victims in this tragedy including, to a lesser extent Paterno and his loyal players, past and present. It does not excuse or do anything to lessen the horrible impact on young lives, but it is sad, nonetheless.
I get what you're saying and don't disagree, but Paterno is no victim here. Not even a little bit. I feel bad for his current and former players, and you can empathize with the hurt they must feel, but at some point they need to take a step back and look at what happened here.
This is not about a football coach or a football program or 409 wins. This is about a man who helped enable an alleged pedophile. A man who, when presented with evidence (for the 3rd time) that a longtime friend was sexually abusing children, chose to do the absolute legal minimum instead of ensure that the children were protected. A man who chose to protect a University and a football program instead of children.
The correct response is guys like Matt Millen and Todd Blackledge. Shock, disbelief, hurt are all appropriate. Saying Paterno did nothing wrong is not.
The counter to that is that if you shut it down the fans that supported the program getting to that point in the first place they will consider why they are missing their games and think about how to make sure that it doesn't get there again.
I don't think they should be shut down forever but to miss an important game would give them a big wake-up call. A bowl game would have the most impact on them and the least on other teams since it would not cost anyone else a game.
The talking heads I heard suggested shuttering the program for a period of time would bring things back into perspective. There was a lot of demagoging about misplaced priorities in college athletics, etc. One of the other people in the discussion suggested that the current players would be hurt, which was met with "let em transfer immediately, someone will absorb them at other schools". The fact that the FB program is the money maker to pay any victim claims was also mentioned.
The settlement/damages from lawsuits bandied about seemed absurdly high at $500 million. There was the thought that shutting down the FB program would shield the University from some of these damages, although I cannot see how that would have any impact other than the court of public opinion.
In any case, my point is once the idea of shutting down the program gains traction in the national media, there will be immense pressure on the University to extract its pound of flesh from the athletic department. They won't be able to just higher a new coaching staff and athletic director and move on. The rioting students in support of JoePa made this infinitely worse.
JoePa spent decades crafting an image of the guy who does everything the right way, live by your morals, etc.
He may have simply missjudged things at the start and then things got away from him but there is simply no excuse in any form for allowing the continued exploitation of any children in this way. The fact that they were apparently from difficult backgrounds and even more vulnerable only makes it worse, if the posibility of worse exist.
I certainly don't have the answer but something has to happen to bring the gravity of this situation into the minds of those who want things to continue in a normal fashion if normal could ever exist again.
We cannot tolerate the abuse of children and we cannot tolerate those who allow it to happen, no matter what their motives. The simple facts of the case are, children were abused, JoePa and others could have stepped in and done something to stop it and didn't, because of their inaction additional children were victims. In my mind this makes them just as guilty as if they had been the abuser, their concious decisions resulted in more children being victims. I don't care if they are a legend in coaching, a GA, or a custodian, the rot has sunk into the program and needs to be removed before any kind of reasonable future can be had.
NBC Rock Center at 9pm MST.
It's airing on NBC's "Rock Center" tonight at 10pm ET/9pm CT. I'm guessing it's on at 9pm Mountain.
It´s on NBC at 10pm ET.
http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/ has some quotes "I shouldn´t have showered with those kids"
I thought,as others,that Sandusky would commit suicide before this ever made trial.Seeing he did an interview with Costas and the seriously stupid things he says tells me he is friggin clueless about whats happening around him.