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Sandusky update (more evidence against Joe P)

Kuratz

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Penn St should not have a football program, period.
The NCAA and the institution itself let money win, and the community at-large honestly didn't given enough of a ****.
I do not wish the student-athletes any ill will but **** that school to hell and I hope everyone gets ultimately held accountable. At the end of the day football is a petty game we use to entertain us for a few hours and those kids were victims of heinous crimes. Sickening
 

jkppkjjkp

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SIAP, wasn't in this discussion at all before.

Jim Clemente was very critical of the Freeh report. Here is his analysis of it

There's a much quicker way to get his opinion by watching the video on this page.

My big takeaway from what Clemente was saying is that Sandusky was just as good at manipulating the adults around him to gain their trust as he was with the children. Apparently, that is typical for these types of predators.

I haven't looked into any of the details of the Mich St. / Gymnastics case, so I don't want to speculate too much there. I'd just say that it's really easy to say that all the other involved adults are all guilty, negligent and horrible; but maybe that's not the best way to think about it.

There's interesting stuff in Clemente's analysis, it's been a couple years since I read it, but I think his viewpoint is worth consideration.
 

NewEra 2014

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If he ends up getting off without going to jail I'm going to be pissed. Dude was at the top of a corrupt organization that put winning games and the money it generated ahead of the lives of kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...e-presidents-conviction/ar-AAAKDI9?li=BBnba9I
As usual, you are completely out to lunch on this topic. Your anger should be directed at the Penn State Board of Trustees and The Second Mile. Those entities blamed Spanier, Paterno, and the football program for the BOTs misdeeds. They relied upon fools like you to swallow their narrative, and they obviously succeeded. Have a nice day, Chump.
 

married2abuff

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As usual, you are completely out to lunch on this topic. Your anger should be directed at the Penn State Board of Trustees and The Second Mile. Those entities blamed Spanier, Paterno, and the football program for the BOTs misdeeds. They relied upon fools like you to swallow their narrative, and they obviously succeeded. Have a nice day, Chump.
You're post was fine, up until the last word. Well, the 'like you' was unnecessary, too.
 

MtnBuff

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As usual, you are completely out to lunch on this topic. Your anger should be directed at the Penn State Board of Trustees and The Second Mile. Those entities blamed Spanier, Paterno, and the football program for the BOTs misdeeds. They relied upon fools like you to swallow their narrative, and they obviously succeeded. Have a nice day, Chump.
Take your Paterno love and desire to slide everything under the rug and stuff it.

Penn State was corrupt. Joe Paterno made any decision he wanted to if it had anything to do with the football program. As long as the positive publicity flowed and the money with it the administration let him call the shots.

Of course Second Mile deserves to be blamed, they lacked control as well and the trustees hired the guys who let Paterno run his kingdom but the evidence shows (including the evidence from Penn States own investigation) that Paterno either knew or was willingly ignorant and decided protecting his programs reputation was more important than these little boys.

You are just like the rest of the pathetic apologist who think that Penn State winning games was more important.

Next thing you will be blaming the boys.
 

leftybuff

Unreconstructed Luddite
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As usual, you are completely out to lunch on this topic. Your anger should be directed at the Penn State Board of Trustees and The Second Mile. Those entities blamed Spanier, Paterno, and the football program for the BOTs misdeeds. They relied upon fools like you to swallow their narrative, and they obviously succeeded. Have a nice day, Chump.
I guess I didn't realize the BOT were the ones molesting boys in the shower room. I missed the part where the BOT had day-to-day supervisory authority over the child molester. Who knew?
 

DeNiro

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I guess I didn't realize the BOT were the ones molesting boys in the shower room. I missed the part where the BOT had day-to-day supervisory authority over the child molester. Who knew?
Apparently we were out to lunch when the BOT did.
 
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NewEra 2014

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I guess I didn't realize the BOT were the ones molesting boys in the shower room. I missed the part where the BOT had day-to-day supervisory authority over the child molester. Who knew?
The BOT granted Sandusky Emeritus status. They allowed Sandusky to have an office in the football building, against Paternos wishes. Sandusky was retired—the football program did not have supervisory authority over him. If anyone did, it was The Second Mile.

The connections between The Second Mile and the Penn State BOT are the real story. Not sure you are smart enough to understand that, but that is what the BOT counted on.
 

MtnBuff

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The BOT granted Sandusky Emeritus status. They allowed Sandusky to have an office in the football building, against Paternos wishes. Sandusky was retired—the football program did not have supervisory authority over him. If anyone did, it was The Second Mile.

The connections between The Second Mile and the Penn State BOT are the real story. Not sure you are smart enough to understand that, but that is what the BOT counted on.
Keep telling yourself that Paterno and those who bowed to him were perfectly innocent. I wish JoPa had lived long enough to be called into a court of law. Even then his fans wouldn't believe that he could do wrong.

Paterno decided not to report. Curley and Spanier instead of protecting children went along. Little boys continued to be destroyed so Penn State could win football games.

Delude yourself all you want, pretend that your hero was a saint on earth, it doesn't change the facts.
 

MtnBuff

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But, but. . . .

We should forgive and forget. After all the culture that enabled Sandusky to happen, the culture that put winning ahead of the rights and dignity of people is in the past. They should just be left alone and not bothered because they win a lot of games.

The efforts that Penn State has made to try to cleanse the image of JoPa and to push the whole Sandusky issue under the rug shows that there has not been a real culture change. Don't forget that there were other issues under JoPa with football players accused of crossing the line with co-eds and the school allowing Paterno to "handle it" inside the program rather than the regular university discipline system or campus police.

This most recent story doesn't surprise me in the least, nor would it if it came from Baylor, ****braska, Michigan State, Miami, or some of the other programs famous for putting wins ahead of decent, moral behavior.
 

Buffalo Brad

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Wow. Unreal. But I am sure Penn St leadership and administrators learned the lesson during The last scandal. I was told they did by the NCAA and all of the folks working at Penn St
 

goalline

Still trying to miss the ground
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Wow. Unreal. But I am sure Penn St leadership and administrators learned the lesson during The last scandal. I was told they did by the NCAA and all of the folks working at Penn St
Yes. They learned to suppress the uncomfortable and get back to printing money as quickly as possible.
 

Mick Ronson

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That’s on the coach, nobody should have to deal with that ****.
agree. FWIW, I went to Vandy for a year before transferring back home to CC. Family stuff. i liked it there, Nashville is cool....saw a lot of great music, good friends.....the Vandy people i know.....the ones interested in sports.....were totally relieved when Franklin left. He took them to a bowl win but, even still, they thought he was radioactive.

I was really surprised when Penn St hired him based on that alone.....given the PSU situation at the time (and now).
 

Buffnik

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Wow. Unreal. But I am sure Penn St leadership and administrators learned the lesson during The last scandal. I was told they did by the NCAA and all of the folks working at Penn St
Only lesson anyone has learned is to delay, deny and don't cooperate -- then make a huge donor push after punishment to "save" the beloved program. It's no accident that Penn State and Baylor barely skipped a beat after their scandals.
 

Blackdynamite

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Only lesson anyone has learned is to delay, deny and don't cooperate -- then make a huge donor push after punishment to "save" the beloved program. It's no accident that Penn State and Baylor barely skipped a beat after their scandals.
It seems they are better.
 

Swish

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Only lesson anyone has learned is to delay, deny and don't cooperate -- then make a huge donor push after punishment to "save" the beloved program. It's no accident that Penn State and Baylor barely skipped a beat after their scandals.
I think this is right.
 
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