Like I said, we really were not close in any game. by the way, we should have lost at WSU
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Like I said, we really were not close in any game. by the way, we should have lost at WSU
Not just lost. If Leach didn't go full retard in that game, we should have lost by 20 or 30.
Check my edit
This team was within 60 points of making it a game at Fresno State!
We don't get Washington State this year.
We play a D2 team, so maybe there's a win there.
Utah broke in their Frosh QB last year. They won't lose at home.
If we show some improvement, and our QB play comes around, we could be competitive in a total of 5-6 games, winning a median of half of those.
We don't get Washington State this year.
We play a D2 team, so maybe there's a win there.
Utah broke in their Frosh QB last year. They won't lose at home.
If we show some improvement, and our QB play comes around, we could be competitive in a total of 5-6 games, winning a median of half of those.
We got beat by CSU and Sac State straight up. Sorry you cannot accept it.
You do realize the Wazzu victory was the textbook definition of a fluke... right?
As far as your second sentence... or what? You will piss and moan all offseason until next spring when everything is magically puppy dogs and ice cream again? Your "expectations" mean nothing because your arguments center around vague hypothetical situations.
2.5-8! I'll take it.
I will say this on the other side of things -- if a team is organized, disciplined and playing hard then it does have a chance of winning some games it shouldn't. All it takes to swing a lot of football games is a couple explosive plays and a turnover advantage. I do hold out hope that our record this year could be that of a team that's better than the sum of its parts and quite a bit lucky.
No I can accept it, I just happen to believe that coaching lost both of those games. PA rollout on the half yard line? Sending DD out to field a punt at the end of the 1st? Can't even slow down a simple slant route?
Yes I acknowledge that WSU was a fluke, go ahead and check my edit.
I expect MM to be a massive improvement over Embree. That's too much to ask? Coaching is the biggest reason for last year IMO. You said it yourself in a thread that you started saying that this team would be in a bowl game last year so obviously you believed there was enough talent to get to 6 wins. The last staff was so bad that it seemed that they couldn't make adjustments in-game, didn't teach fundamentals in practice, players constantly being out of position, no disguising of blitzes, etc. I don't exactly have high expectations for next year, but I do expect an improvement in the win column.
He could very well be a massive improvement, and still go 1-11, 2-10.
It would depend on how we lost those games
Gold
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We're at the point where coaches not embarrassing themselves is an improvement. Once we get that straightened out, and it seems like it will be, it's on to having the players not embarrass themselves. Small steps. I think we check both boxes this year.
Obviously there are other big issues, like speed and talent, but I think coaching can be attributed to the majority of our issues, especially when you look at some of the decisions that the staff made during games.
We have the least number of playmakers at the skill positions of any team in the conference, by a margin. It's better than last year with PRich back, but still, it's not where it should be. It's not where a team like Fresno State was at last year, despite losing key guys including their top WR who transferred to Oklahoma.
We will have about as bad of a situation as you can have at QB going into fall ball, where our best hope is that a Freshman can take over. Although improvement may be possible, it should NOT be expected to be a strength.
Inexperience and mistake-prone Quarterbacking combined with too few of playmakers is another recipe for a tough season.
Our defense will be very young once again. Yes, they got some experience, but I'm not sure it was valuable experience.
We will have about as bad of a situation as you can have at QB going into fall ball, where our best hope is that a Freshman can take over. Although improvement may be possible, it should NOT be expected to be a strength.
Inexperience and mistake-prone Quarterbacking combined with too few of playmakers is another recipe for a tough season.
Our defense will be very young once again. Yes, they got some experience, but I'm not sure it was valuable experience.
White_Rabbit
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Poor tini. Always finds something to latch onto that he thinks means we should make a bowl game. I remember last year it was our superior S&C program that would power us through the physically inept teams we were going to play. The year before was probably the same as this year; these guys have to be 5 games better than the last crew. Eventually you'll be right, and it'll be a great day.
Every fan of every program seems to at some point give in and wear rose-colored glasses. One of my best friends is a Husker fan and every year he becomes convinced coming out of Spring that they should be top 10.
A few years ago, there was a QB out of Texas who was the real deal. But he got passed up. Then it was the big Athletic guy out of Texas (Green?) who was going to start as a freshman. He never cut the mustard either and transferred out of the program. Then Martinez was the real deal. It's all about character and he's a tough guy. Well, as soon as they lost a game, Martinez was suddenly a wimp, not a tough guy. And on and on....
Embree fueled the fire last year. He thought his false bravado would instill a swagger. He didn't understand you can't tell people they are good and therefore they are good. As the CSU game went on last year, their confidence grew and ours fell.
A few years ago, there was a QB out of Texas who was the real deal. But he got passed up. Then it was the big Athletic guy out of Texas (Green?) who was going to start as a freshman. He never cut the mustard either and transferred out of the program. Then Martinez was the real deal. It's all about character and he's a tough guy. Well, as soon as they lost a game, Martinez was suddenly a wimp, not a tough guy. And on and on....
Embree fueled the fire last year. He thought his false bravado would instill a swagger. He didn't understand you can't tell people they are good and therefore they are good. As the CSU game went on last year, their confidence grew and ours fell.
You weren't the only one. I was thinking 5 wins. Then CSU and Sac St. ran on to the field and looked as big as we did, and that sinking feeling set in.
As soon as I saw the double-special-secret-closed-practice-Oregon-flashcard-hurry-up-spread-offense revealed and then scrapped forever within a few series I knew that we were completely ****ed.
I knew we were ****ed when I saw our head coach throw his head set and nearly hit an official at Ohio State.
Gold
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That stings because I thought we tight. Actually, I don't have an opinion of you or know who you are, so I'm curious where did we go wrong?
That's the part I'm hoping for. We all know that this year is going to be rough. If we can get some fundamentals down solid, block, tackle and play mistake free, we'll win some games that we probably shouldn't. The real problem we face is that even if we win some games we shouldn't (and we will), we'll still only be a 3 or 4 win team.
well then, we should be happy to know that Jack Harris is reporting in the latest Rivals interview that Coach Bernardi is actually teaching technique - something his previous OL coaches apparently didn't spend a lot of time on...
This team was a bad, bad team last year. Slow, small, and lacking skills. That in addition to a losing attitude and you have a team that was very lucky to be 1-11.
That said as bad as our talent was last year we weren't less talented than Sacramento State, or CSU and we weren't 70 points less talented than Fresno.
We could have had the best coaches in college football last year an not gone to a bowl game. Opposing teams were game planning how to keep from running up the score on us. At the same time any kind of quality coaching and we win at least 3 games last year, this year should be the same. We should beat CSU, absolutely beat Central Arkansas. After that we get Fresno at home and despite last year that should also be a win based on talent. From there we have major problems. WSU is off the schedule. We could beat Utah but it is there and we might hope that one of the Arizona schools has an epic fail against us (or UCLA) but that is just hope at this point.
Sad to say we could be a much better team and still stink.
Since I missed the CSU game entirely, and decided not to watch it out of disgust nor to read about it, I didn't know this had happened until much later.
But my honest appraisal is that CU and CSU are very similar in terms of talent right now. Throw San Jose State, Sac State and Fresno State in there as well.
We were out-coached - but nearly ALL of those schools had better QBs, by somewhat of a large margin in fact. This is the single most important item when predicting success. We don't play a lot of teams that will be breaking in new QBs this year.
I do not believe that the talent level is as good at CU as it is at Fresno State.
Frankly, once you get outside the top 30 or so in terms of recruiting rankings, it's pretty cloudy water. Fresno State has a VERY good QB and has lots of weapons, not 1-2 like CU. Lots of speed on that team.
We somehow think we are more talented than non BCS schools, but we frankly are not. We have had a lot of attrition and guys not develop. We are not a BCS team right now. We are a WAC team, without a QB.
Frankly, once you get outside the top 30 or so in terms of recruiting rankings, it's pretty cloudy water. Fresno State has a VERY good QB and has lots of weapons, not 1-2 like CU. Lots of speed on that team.
We somehow think we are more talented than non BCS schools, but we frankly are not. We have had a lot of attrition and guys not develop. We are not a BCS team right now. We are a WAC team, without a QB.
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Looking at QB's we will play, we are behind the 8-ball big time.
ASU - Kelly will be a JR
USC - will be plugging in the "next" guy
WA - returns Price for his SR year
Stanford - Hogan returns for his SO year
Oregon - Mariota will be a SO
AZ - battle ongoing, but their backup last year, Denker (SR, Juco starter prior) put over 50 on our Buffs in his only start last year.
UCLA - returns Hundley, will be a SO
Oregon State - upperclassmen Vaz and Manion are splitting reps again this spring. Both have a wealth of gameday experience.
Fresno State - Carr returns for his SR year
Central Arkansas - Returns Smothers, a run/pass guy with a lot of experience (sounds familiar)
Utah - They broke in True Frosh Travis Wilson who started the last 6 games, gaining valuable experience
And only Cal looks to be breaking in a new QB, as Sonny Dykes decides which of the three 4-star Blue Chips will get the nod at QB.
ASU - Kelly will be a JR
USC - will be plugging in the "next" guy
WA - returns Price for his SR year
Stanford - Hogan returns for his SO year
Oregon - Mariota will be a SO
AZ - battle ongoing, but their backup last year, Denker (SR, Juco starter prior) put over 50 on our Buffs in his only start last year.
UCLA - returns Hundley, will be a SO
Oregon State - upperclassmen Vaz and Manion are splitting reps again this spring. Both have a wealth of gameday experience.
Fresno State - Carr returns for his SR year
Central Arkansas - Returns Smothers, a run/pass guy with a lot of experience (sounds familiar)
Utah - They broke in True Frosh Travis Wilson who started the last 6 games, gaining valuable experience
And only Cal looks to be breaking in a new QB, as Sonny Dykes decides which of the three 4-star Blue Chips will get the nod at QB.
Gold
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Dillon can surpass Wilson's and Hogan's production in his first year starting. A Kevin Price type year isn't totally out of the question.
But Mariota and Hundley are next level type players. I don't see Dillon reaching that high his first few years.
It's a mix of a few different things, how fast and reliable the WRs are, can the OL protect, is the RB situation effective outside of Powell who has had durability issues, and are the schemes effective enough keep defenses off balance. Basically how much of what went wrong last year will go wrong this year?