Not sure if I was more blown away by that game or the TCU game. Un****ing believable. I kept hoping I wasn’t about to wake up in Ft Worth. For bailer, I had a good feeling that SS2 would make it happen.
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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)
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This discourse is why I crack up when I read the fan analysis of S2 on the Cleveland Browns message board. Talk about a group of folks trying to talk themselves out of a good thing.
If you are looking at his W/L record or sacks, then you are doing it wrong. He isn't nor wasn't perfect, but his performance was tailored to the situations that CU were in. In that regard I don't think about his sacks at all. If you put him on Georgia I think you have a guy who throws the ball away when appropriate and doesn't extend/gamble the play until he is forced. At CU? He's has a **** OLine and excellent WRs - hold the ball and see if you can make something happen.
If you are looking at his W/L record or sacks, then you are doing it wrong. He isn't nor wasn't perfect, but his performance was tailored to the situations that CU were in. In that regard I don't think about his sacks at all. If you put him on Georgia I think you have a guy who throws the ball away when appropriate and doesn't extend/gamble the play until he is forced. At CU? He's has a **** OLine and excellent WRs - hold the ball and see if you can make something happen.
I still have no idea how he got that last pass off. Every time I see the replay, I think that defender is going to hit his arm before he releases the ball.
That crowd noise eruption when Wester catches the ball is an all time highlight for me at Folsom.
Anyone who thinks that Flacco, Pickett or Gabriel is a guy to be excited about as the guy to put you over the top in a division with Jackson and Burrow is too stupid to live.
It isn't that they like Flacco, Pickett, or Gabriel.
It's that they have decided in their own minds that they don't like Shedeur and will look for any reason or explanation in their minds to justify it, even if it means ignoring reality.
The word is "Quarterbacking".
But seriously, I've probably posted this 50+ times on here. Being a great Quarterback is about three things: 1) Seeing and being able to take advantage of what the defense gives you, 2) Putting the ball in the right place at the right time, and 3) Being a leader.End of story.
I say this without hyperbole - I guarantee you 90% of the Browns roster would rather have SS2 under center and see what he can do vs hitch their success to dudes like Flacco or Pickett. Sanders has "IT" and other players can sense that in a guy. How can you be excited about the probability of winning 6 games behind a 40 year old that's just trying to squeeze out a few more million before retiring.
The Browns coaching staff would be smart to start SS2 or Gabriel this year. At least when they end up winning 6 games and finishing last in the division again they can say they're building with youth and there are better days ahead. Doing that with Flacco or Pickett just shows you have no idea what you're doing and you're going nowhere.
This is spot on. Players rarely get to the NFL level without being very competitive, they just want to win.
Beyond that they know that guys who are on a winning team have a better chance of being in the league and making more money than guys on a losing team. They don't care about all the hype they want the QB who gives them the best chance to win games.
Browns have a bunch of draft capital next year and the year after. If they win 6 or fewer games there is a good chance the current coaches aren't going to be around to use those draft picks unless they can give ownership a real reason to believe in them for the future. That belief won't come from playing the retreads at QB all year.
Expect them to open the season with one of the veteran QBs starting but as things go sour (and neither of the vets will keep that from happening) they will turn to the rookies. Gabriel, even if Shedeur shows better in pre-season will get first shot but we know who Gabriel is and isn't. Eventually Shedeur will get his shot.
If Shedeur shows well enough then Cleveland may even pass on drafting a QB next year and instead use those picks around him. If they do go ahead and draft a QB then they won't be able to afford keeping Shedeur around to complicate the situation.
It would be very Cleveland to see Shedeur prove himself, still draft another QB, trade Shedeur only to see Shedeur succeed and their new rookie fail.
Keep in mind, different situations but still happend, that Farve, Brees, some others found success with teams that traded for them early in their careers.
Biggest obstacle to that is a HC on the hot seat who needs to win this year. I bet they go with Flacco and hope he can do what he did for them a couple years ago.
Stefanski will be hoping for that miracle but the odds are slim to none. The Browns early schedule is tough and they could easily be 2-6 going into their bye week.
Rumors are that ownership told them to pick Sanders, wouldn't be a surprise if ownership doesn't remind Stephanski of that while they are losing.
I'll go you one better. No matter the QB, the Browns are likely to be 1-7 going into the Bye Week.
The change will come either going into Week 5 or Week 7 or at the bye in Week 9. They're almost guaranteed to start 0-4 barring some craziness and will be no better than 2-6 going into the bye. Best scenario for SS2 is he gets his chance either home Week 7 vs the Dolphins and then at the Patriots Week 8 or coming out of the bye week. Regroup over the bye week and get the Jets, Ravens, Raiders and 49ers which all could conceivably be toss-up games except the Ravens. Then you get the Titans at home which could be a must-see TV showcase of Sanders vs Ward. Beat Ward at home, play decent the rest of the way (wins or not) and you're the guy going into 2026.
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The 2-6 was being generous but yes 1-7 is very possible. I was thinking with Minnesota having QB issues and NE being very young they would get one of those two plus the NFL being what it is pick up one other unexpected. Maybe Miami as Tua already is out with this years concussion or Pittsburgh with Rodgers already done.
I think the Pats are one of the teams most likely to make a big step forward this season, fwiw.
Don't disagree, young and talented and seem to have their QB.
Part of what keeps the NFL the monster that it is though is that nothing is guaranteed. Losing 5 games in a season gives a team home field in the playoffs. Upsets happen. With a young team like NE losing a couple of surprises each year is to be expected. We will see it with the Broncos, win a couple they shouldn't, lose one or two that they shouldn't, happens with almost every team.
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Stefanski playing it safe with a washed out vet versus Stefanski plugging in the most notorious player on the team who (we assume) ownership backs.
Is it just my fandom or does option B seem like the play to keep your job?
This is part of the point I made in the NFL thread about them having a HC job security issue. This is year 6 for Stefanski and he’s had a couple seasons of relative success with Mayfield and Flacco and was hamstrung with the Watson trade. He’s clearly a good coach who can develop/get the most out of his QBs, but if there’s win-or-get-fired pressure on him this year, then it’s absolutely going to drive the QB1 decision toward Flacco who they know isn’t going to get them anywhere meaningful this year, fail to let them see what they have in the rookies, and put them out of the top 3-5 picks for next year.
Feels like the floor of outcomes is the same (he gets fired) while the ceilings are far different.
Had a cannon. Hell, even his last year. If he didn't have trouble with his legs, might have even been better than what it was. I don't see how anybody could complain though.
OTA reports still sounding good, although one of the few negative comments I read was that he did run backward in the pocket and lost a bunch of yards on what was called a sack (not actually hitting the QB). Shedeur needs to learn to step up in the pocket and allow his tackles to move pressure around and behind him. Of course, that was a known weakness coming in. All in all, the reports out of Cleveland have been very favorable.
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Not for me. Must be personal.
Thoroughly unhelpful, as expected.
Shedeur is gunning for QB1 
Force the Browns to make the call
Force the Browns to make the call
JMBuffs
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Shedeur is gunning for QB1
If only his arm were stronger