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Both are getting limited reps. Shedeur and Bailey will split scout team reps with Shedeur getting the bulk of reps
Whereas Joe gets the bulk of reps with Dillon getting 2nd team reps.
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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)
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Whereas Joe gets the bulk of reps with Dillon getting 2nd team reps.
OK. That’s the way I see it also. Fewer scout team reps probably gets outweighed by Zappe’s mentorship.
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Zappe has been signed to also be a mentor. They wanted Huntley in that role but Baltimore wanted him as a #2.
I like that part for 12.
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Huntley was signed to PS. Not as a #2
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In the unforgiving world of NFL roster cuts, where dreams die faster than a Hail Mary in a hurricane, Desmond Ridder's latest pink slip tells a story as old as the draft itself. It's the cruel mathematics of professional football: talent plus effort doesn't always equal survival.
Three years ago, sitting in a cramped film room with coffee-stained scouting reports scattered across a folding table, you could see it coming. Ridder had that third-round grade stamped all over him—the kind of prospect who made you lean forward in your chair when he rolled right and fired a dart between two defenders, but also made you wince when he tried to navigate a collapsing pocket like he was still playing in the American Athletic Conference.
"The kid's got everything you want," one scout said during that rookie preseason, watching Ridder thread a needle on a comeback route. "Smart, works harder than a coal miner, mobile as hell. But something's not clicking."
That something was translation—the mysterious alchemy that separates college heroes from NFL journeymen. Ridder's 4.49 speed looked devastating on Cincinnati's highlight reel, but in the pros, that burst never quite materialized. His acceleration was pedestrian, his pocket presence adequate at best even at Cincinnati. He transformed himself from mobile threat at Cincinnati to competent game manager with the Falcons, grinding through film sessions and extra throwing sessions like his career depended on it—which, of course, it did.
But here's the brutal truth about very good game managers in the NFL: they're everywhere. Practice squads are littered with quarterbacks who can execute a game plan, hit their checkdowns, and avoid catastrophic mistakes. Unless you're Brock Purdy—Versatile QB who's an excellent game manager and very good mobile QB—being merely competent gets you cut faster than a teenager's curfew.
Now consider Shedeur Sanders, who stepped into his first NFL action like he owned the place. Everything that made him special at Colorado—elite feel for the game, the pocket poise under duress, the way he could find receivers in traffic—translated seamlessly against Carolina's defense. He missed a few throws he'd normally complete (the perfectionist in him probably rewound those plays a dozen times), but the fundamentals were there. A 90-plus PFF grade wasn't just possible; it felt inevitable.
Week three brought reality's harsh slap, exposing the same weaknesses that showed up on those late-night scouting reports. But translation isn't about perfection—it's about proving your college skills can survive in a league where everyone is faster, stronger, and hungrier than the kid they replaced.
The preseason has become college football's final exam, where players either pass the translation test or join the ranks of "what might have been." This year's quarterback class has mostly survived the scrutiny, with one glaring exception. My fourth-rated signal-caller, Cam Miller, has shown weaknesses that weren't just concerning—they were approaching critical mass.
Sometimes, translating is all I look for in the preseason. Most of the QBs this year have translated based on my scout. Only one I've worried about is my QB4, Cam Miller. Some of the weaknesses is closer to critical than I scouted. Dart was the big winner. He was miles ahead of what I was expecting in year 1. If this was year 2. I would have been like, he's ahead of schedule but for year 1, I might have missed on his NFL readiness. This is why playing in the SEC should come with a curve but Anthony Richardson and Matt Corral is the reason I removed the curve to being with.
Three years ago, sitting in a cramped film room with coffee-stained scouting reports scattered across a folding table, you could see it coming. Ridder had that third-round grade stamped all over him—the kind of prospect who made you lean forward in your chair when he rolled right and fired a dart between two defenders, but also made you wince when he tried to navigate a collapsing pocket like he was still playing in the American Athletic Conference.
"The kid's got everything you want," one scout said during that rookie preseason, watching Ridder thread a needle on a comeback route. "Smart, works harder than a coal miner, mobile as hell. But something's not clicking."
That something was translation—the mysterious alchemy that separates college heroes from NFL journeymen. Ridder's 4.49 speed looked devastating on Cincinnati's highlight reel, but in the pros, that burst never quite materialized. His acceleration was pedestrian, his pocket presence adequate at best even at Cincinnati. He transformed himself from mobile threat at Cincinnati to competent game manager with the Falcons, grinding through film sessions and extra throwing sessions like his career depended on it—which, of course, it did.
But here's the brutal truth about very good game managers in the NFL: they're everywhere. Practice squads are littered with quarterbacks who can execute a game plan, hit their checkdowns, and avoid catastrophic mistakes. Unless you're Brock Purdy—Versatile QB who's an excellent game manager and very good mobile QB—being merely competent gets you cut faster than a teenager's curfew.
Now consider Shedeur Sanders, who stepped into his first NFL action like he owned the place. Everything that made him special at Colorado—elite feel for the game, the pocket poise under duress, the way he could find receivers in traffic—translated seamlessly against Carolina's defense. He missed a few throws he'd normally complete (the perfectionist in him probably rewound those plays a dozen times), but the fundamentals were there. A 90-plus PFF grade wasn't just possible; it felt inevitable.
Week three brought reality's harsh slap, exposing the same weaknesses that showed up on those late-night scouting reports. But translation isn't about perfection—it's about proving your college skills can survive in a league where everyone is faster, stronger, and hungrier than the kid they replaced.
The preseason has become college football's final exam, where players either pass the translation test or join the ranks of "what might have been." This year's quarterback class has mostly survived the scrutiny, with one glaring exception. My fourth-rated signal-caller, Cam Miller, has shown weaknesses that weren't just concerning—they were approaching critical mass.
Sometimes, translating is all I look for in the preseason. Most of the QBs this year have translated based on my scout. Only one I've worried about is my QB4, Cam Miller. Some of the weaknesses is closer to critical than I scouted. Dart was the big winner. He was miles ahead of what I was expecting in year 1. If this was year 2. I would have been like, he's ahead of schedule but for year 1, I might have missed on his NFL readiness. This is why playing in the SEC should come with a curve but Anthony Richardson and Matt Corral is the reason I removed the curve to being with.
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Salter isn't
I think there were a lot of marquee games, with the QBs facing really good defenses.
Given the fact that defenses tend to be ahead of offenses early in the season, the Texas and Ohio State D's would make just about any young QB look mediocre in week 1. Klubnik needed to be better.
One mock has Arch, Sellers, Klubnik, Nussmaier, Allar, and Leavitt going in round 1.
Allar and Leavitt played no one and got ignored. Sellers is looking good early vs. the Hokies. Arch has a ton to prove. Klubnik needs to bounce back.
I'm interested to see if Beck pops off in Miami, heard some rumblings that he's looked really good in their camps.
Beck's got an arm that someone's going to fall in love with.
On his radio show Brandon Stokely who is tight with the Mannings implied that they aren't in any rush for him to come out. Money is not a consideration immediately so if they don't think he is ready or they don't like who is lined up to draft him he could easily stay another year.
Not having any pre-season games means that the first game can look a lot rougher than later in the season but none of the "top" QBs looked overly impressive.
Won't matter a lot though. By the time the draft comes around a few QB needy teams will convince themselves that one of these guys who falls to them is the answer.
I think he needs to. Plenty of ability but I don't think he's ready for the league yet. Get some experience. Hell, he isn't ready for big college games yet.
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Arch Manning projections are all based on hype not performance. I know OSU is a good team, but UT is built for those type of games. Watching Manning yesterday reminded me of the critics who have said he cannot be that good because he is playing behind Quinn Ewers. We will see how it progresses this year, but he looks like he is still figuring out the college game. Sark is a good QB coach so he has that going for him. I expect him to bust out but I think with NIL he would be better off getting another year in. Going to the NFL too early is not good - Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, Zack Wilson - all guys with talent but no polish. As opposed to guys like Burrow, Nix, Daniels, Purdy - who all refined their game in college.
We know that Arch has the physical skills but so does everybody else in the NFL, it is much more about the mental part of the game and Arch isn't there yet.
And it certainly isn't like Arch needs the money to feed his family.
He’s going nowhere until after next year.
The lack of a running game didn't help Klubnik last night. And that LSU defense looks to be much improved
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No…I genuinely didn’t see a first round guy in Shedeur’s class, and I don’t see one on this class either.
Unless the New Orleans Saints are picking first and there is an overwhelming desire to get another Manning to juice the franchise
The Manning counsel has already decided that he’ll stay all four years at Texas.
That wouldn't be a factor. He'll play where they think it serves his long-term interest.
If a franchise has the first pick, commits to him, and has a staff they trust to be best for his development they might declare him for the draft. That is unlikely so he will stay in school.
As long as they figure out the portal situation.
The two TD throws were something. The first one was a great throw, while moving to his left. The second one was probably a pick if it wasn't an unreal catch by his guy, but if it was a foot lower it was a crazy good throw; a little Favre-esque trying to sling that one in there, while getting hit, and then getting bailed out by a great catch.
I think next year we're going to see every P4 team have a pre season scrimmage like Prime was trying to organize with Fran Brown and Cuse, and it will really help sort out some of the position battles and early season rust that make week 0/1 so sloppy.
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I had a late 1st round grade on him coming into last year tied with Cam Ward. Cam stayed and ended up going 1st overall. Beck dropped but I put a lot of it on his supporting cast and Bobo. He's looking like he did before. I still think he's a lot like Eli Manning. Not quite as good in the pocket but more mobile. Glad he came back for his redshirt senior season. He needed an extra year. I still have him as QB1 for this class. This class is overrated due to NFL teams being as stupid as ever when it comes to QBs.
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