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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

Buffnik said:
Ryan Clark getting killed on his Shedeur take this week. Responding to chatter that Shedeur might be dropping because of how his interviews went. Clark was like, "He's arrogant and a problem for an organization? Because he wouldn't bend the knee but fired back with bravado when his game was questioned? They're not comfortable with that from a black QB."
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Shedeur isn't arrogant. We all know arrogant people. Shedeur is just different. He listens to his own music. The answer they wanted from him when asked what QBs he watched film on, they wanted him to say Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. He said I only watch my own film. Things like that irk teams, especially ones who don't think he's that good anyway.

They really aren't used to someone rocking to their own beat.

As for Ryan Clark, I really wished he didn't bring up race the way he did. I would have prefer him saying if Sanders last name was Brees or Manning, he would easily go 1st overall, that's a fact. Saying he's catching criticism because he's black opens the door to idiots who already don't like Shedeur and mainly Coach Prime to being with.

I dont believe race is an issue. I don't believe implicit bias is an issue. That is racial. Idiots comparing him to Teddy Bridgewater or Geno Smith for example. Even though I disagree with Bryce Young comps, at least Bryce is legit good at football. Shedeur isn't getting the love he deserves but that's okay.
 
dio said:
I watch his game and really don't see how he isn't a good NFL QB. Makes all the throws, accurate, strong enough arm, not afraid to push down field but also not afraid to manage a short passing game, can extend plays, tons of confidence.

I am totally biased but he just seems like a great NFL QB.
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I have 2 or 3 scouting reports on Shedeur on this site. Some from Jackson State. Shedeur is definitely not without flaws but he's a lot better than he's getting credit for. It's insane how good Shedeur is at thing i don't even talk about.

When trailing or leading by 7 points he completed 76% of his passes while throwing only 1 interception on 164 attempts, adding 18 touchdowns - was the best in this class here.

Or him having the best grade in the last two minutes of halves with a 94 overall PFF grade in the last two draft classes.

There is so much to cover but when I hear people go out their way to hate, it's hilarious. The tape might as well not even exist anymore unless it's bad tape of course. Then that's real, that translates.

The Shedeur hate is idiotic. Always have been, always will be.

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Buffnik said:
I think it's more likely that the coaches and GMs of certain teams are afraid of the Sanders name. If you're drafting in the top ten, you probably aren't someone who has a lot of job security. The last thing you want is your rookie QB being strong willed and the potential of this leading Prime to publicly criticize you.
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Really? I don’t get the impression that Prime is the type of person to publicly criticize a coach at all.

More likely, some NFL teams don’t want the media circus that will come with Shedeur. It’s pulling teeth to get teams to participate in Hard Knocks, let alone having the most polarizing player to come out of college since Tim Tebow.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Really? I don’t get the impression that Prime is the type of person to publicly criticize a coach at all.

More likely, some NFL teams don’t want the media circus that will come with Shedeur. It’s pulling teeth to get teams to participate in Hard Knocks, let alone having the most polarizing player to come out of college since Tim Tebow.
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Does Shedeur come with a media circus?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
He will come with a lot more media than a traditional Rookie QB, yes.
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That's not a media circus. A media circus is Tim Tebow or Kaepernick after kneeling. Is Shedeur coming with more media than Manning, Newton, Luck, Manizel, RG3, and Celeb Williams?

Generally it's on players like Terrell Owens who brings media attention to themselves. Travis brings more media attention to himself than Shedeur. Are we not saying Travis brings a media circus too?
 
If a team drafts Shedeur, there will be more of a spotlight on them with more articles, podcasts, radio and tv elevating content.

Somehow that's a problem for some organizations. Only rationale I can think of that fits is that some people who don't have a ton of job security are afraid of the attention.
 
#1 pick said:
That's not a media circus. A media circus is Tim Tebow or Kaepernick after kneeling. Is Shedeur coming with more media than Manning, Newton, Luck, Manizel, RG3, and Celeb Williams?

Generally it's on players like Terrell Owens who brings media attention to themselves. Travis brings more media attention to himself than Shedeur. Are we not saying Travis brings a media circus too?
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Entirely different eras than some of those guys, but yes, far more media than most of them. Are you really refuting that there is more media attention on Shedeur than any other player? He’s the most polarizing player to enter the league since Tebow. This isn’t a slight, it’s just a fact.
 
dio said:
I watch his game and really don't see how he isn't a good NFL QB. Makes all the throws, accurate, strong enough arm, not afraid to push down field but also not afraid to manage a short passing game, can extend plays, tons of confidence.

I am totally biased but he just seems like a great NFL QB.
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At this point anyone who is even considered for drafting in the 1st round, even in the second couple of days, has already been vetted to be physically NFL level. They have the arm, can make the throws, have enough mobility, etc.

The real difference between QBs, the reason that the Mannings and the Bradys are much better than more physically gifted QBs is their ability to process information and make decision then act on them. Paxton Lynch could throw the football better than probably most of the QBs in the league right now. What he didn't have was the mental part of the game.

If you watch Shedeur the impressive part of his game is the mental part. He can have the confidence because he knows that if their is a gap in the defense he will find it, if there is opportunity to make an average play special he will see it.

I think a bunch of teams are going to wish they had drafted him in a couple of years.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Come on, he's Prime's son and just nearly led a morbird program from 2 short years ago to the Big 12 Championship game
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Smart teams won't be afraid of that.

Yes he will be a center of attention and his last name will be part of that but simple fact is that a 1st round QB is going to be the center of media attention no matter what his last name.

A wiser view is that Prime is and was as a player very media savy. He has and will continue to provide guidance to his son.

This means that over time Shedeur is much less likely to make the media mistakes that NFL teams hate and instead shine a positive light on himself and his team.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Most people really like Travis. Most people dislike Shedeur. Again, right or wrong… facts.
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Reddit is not most people. If it was then most people hate Colorado but they don't

If most people hated Shedeur, his brand would have no motion but he has the biggest brand in CFB. He has NFL, MLB, and NBA players doing his celebration.

If you watch ESPN or FS1, Prime is loved as well as CU. Go to Reddit, they hate CU and Coach Prime. I know most your your personal friends may frequent Reddit but most people don't

Shedeur has over 2.1 million IG followers. My guess is none of them includes anyone from Reddit outside of you

Reddit is a ****hole, please stop using general Reddit consensus here. That's like using barbershop consensus. If we are at the barbershop, Obama should still be President and Trump has only 1 supporter and a zero approval rating but we know barbershop consensus is like minded people for the most part.
 
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The Top 3 Titans, Browns, and Giants all need QB’s and have been either completely quiet or non commital in free agency
 
If Shedeur entered the draft last year, what would he have been QB6/QB7?

The only reason he might potentially get drafted in the top 10 this year is because of the lack of better options.

I loved him on the Buffs, but he’s extremely flawed in the some of the things that make a successful NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but to me, his game is reminiscent of a lot of the bust QBs in the NFL.

I understand the desire to hype our boy up, but if we’re being honest with ourselves, he has a very steep hill to climb to become a quality NFL starter.
 
JonSergeantMajor said:
If Shedeur entered the draft last year, what would he have been QB6/QB7?

The only reason he might potentially get drafted in the top 10 this year is because of the lack of better options.

I loved him on the Buffs, but he’s extremely flawed in the some of the things that make a successful NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but to me, his game is reminiscent of a lot of the bust QBs in the NFL.

I understand the desire to hype our boy up, but if we’re being honest with ourselves, he has a very steep hill to climb to become a quality NFL starter.
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Where do you think he's flawed and what busts is he reminiscent to you? Give us your opinion, don't go search for opinions, share us what you truly think? I am also interested when fans have a difference in opinion. It doesn't make sense for every fan to love that QB unless he's won them a title.

Another thing, when we are back here next year, he wins OROY, let's not go back and attack posters like him. If he feels a different way, we will have it in writing as to why. If he's wrong, then he's wrong. Now for the dumbasses on X or Reddit, rub it in their damn faces. They deserve it.

I will say this, the last paragraph you wrote is some bull****. That's insulting our intelligence and that could get you into some major negativity when you are proven wrong this time next year.
 
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Where do you think he's flawed and what busts is he reminiscent to you? Give us your opinion, don't go search for opinions, share us what you truly think? I am also interested when fans have a difference in opinion. It doesn't make sense for every fan to love that QB unless he's won them a title.

Another thing, when we are back here next year, he wins OROY, let's not go back and attack posters like him. If he feels a different way, we will have it in writing as to why. If he's wrong, then he's wrong. Now for the dumbasses on X or Reddit, rub it in their damn faces. They deserve it.
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I'll let him speak for himself, but the guy I thought of who had the same concerns about him was Josh Rosen. What they said about him was that he didn't listen to coaches, played too much hero ball, and didn't have the athleticism to win in the NFL by going off script.
 
#1 pick said:
Where do you think he's flawed and what busts is he reminiscent to you? Give us your opinion, don't go search for opinions, share us what you truly think? I am also interested when fans have a difference in opinion. It doesn't make sense for every fan to love that QB unless he's won them a title.

Another thing, when we are back here next year, he wins OROY, let's not go back and attack posters like him. If he feels a different way, we will have it in writing as to why. If he's wrong, then he's wrong. Now for the dumbasses on X or Reddit, rub it in their damn faces. They deserve it.
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I would like nothing more than for Shedeur to win OROY. I’m not a Shedeur hater, I want him to succeed.

However, for as high as highs were, the lows were even lower with the Buffs.

The main characteristics of NFL bust QBs are slow release, bad decision making, bad pocket presence, bad accuracy (he’s good there), and always trying to play hero ball.

He never showed up for the big games. Almost every big game, we were blown out or close to it.

I understand our o-line was bad, but he was constantly looking for the perfect play and holding on to the ball forever (he won’t have 6-7 seconds every play in the NFL) when he knows he has about zero mobility and average arm strength, so it shows a lack of football IQ that he continued to keep doing it.

Not realizing the situation that he’s in with our ****ty o-line and a **** ton of playmaking receivers who can potentially take any short pass to the house is inexcusable IMO.

Watching that was extremely frustrating as a Buffs fan. Then, I’d turn on the Broncos games and see how far Shedeur really needs to go.
 
Buffnik said:
I'll let him speak for himself, but the guy I thought of who had the same concerns about him was Josh Rosen. played too much hero ball, and didn't have the athleticism to win in the NFL by going off script.
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Josh Rosen had the same critical flaw that I see in Tyler Shough. Terrible in the pocket foot speed. Shedeur has elite in the pocket foot speed. It's like comparing Steph Curry shooting threes to Jacques Vaughn shooting threes.

Josh Rosen has 10 scrambles throughout his entire last season. Shedeur had 39 scrambles. The leaders in the last 10 years were Mahomes, Daniels, and Jackson. Sanders was near them atound the range with Bryce Young. You don't have a 19.6 P2S rate and scramble as much as Shedeur if you aren't good at it.

Rosen metrics 79.5 adj under 2.5. Over 52% are under 2.5 seconds. Only 92 dropbacks under pressure for over 2.5 seconds.204 for Shedeur which was insane.

This is Josh NFL scouting report.
It literally misses the most important thing.


Josh foot speed in the pocket is horrible.
Yes, he has tremendous footwork and while Shedeur footwork can be horrible at times and he drifts too much but Shedeur has elite pocket footspeed. Footwork technique is overrated. I can teach anyone good footwork. I can't teach them to move their feet with pace like Sanders or Brees or Brady. Just a reminder, Mahomes had the worst footwork I've ever seen on tape for any QB prospect. Where is he at today in the NFL? Whereas Rosen had the worst footspeed in the pocket I've seen. Guess where he's at in today's NFL? Shough foot speed in the pocket is right there with Rosen
Shedeur under pressure completion is 68%, Rosen was 46% and 42.4% if forced to throw on the run. This was also something we saw in Mac Jones as well. He couldn't pass when throwing on the move. Mac at least can move his feet well in the pocket.

We actually have a Rosen in this draft. His name is Tyler Shough.

I removed one point from your post because it was the most off even more than the comp itself.

"He wasn't the guy everyone rallied around in college and you don't have to dig around for too long to find people who said he was hard to coach. He's definitely talented. Nobody questions that. But he's going to have to get grown men to buy into him as their leader. That is not a given." -- NFL Executive on Rosen

If we go to Coach Phillips, Coach TC, Coach Brett, Coach Lew, and Coach Shurmur, none will say he's uncoachable. Every single one praised him coachability and they gave him the ultimate freedom as if he's Payton Manning. Shedeur was his own OC at Trinity in HS. No one gave Rosen that freedom at any level. He was extremely mistake prone and couldn't read **** pre snap or post snap.

Rosen probably one of the most cleanest prospects I've evaluated with Mac Jones. Teddy was in the next tier. Shedeur is as messy as they come. Him and Ward are messy cooks. Select QB guys hyper focus on playmaking and doing the impossible. Clean drops is something you don't consistently see in their tape.
 
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Josh Rosen had the same critical flaw that I see in Tyler Shough. Terrible in the pocket foot speed. Shedeur has elite in the pocket foot speed. It's like comparing Steph Curry shooting threes to Jacques Vaughn shooting threes.

Josh Rosen has 10 scrambles throughout his entire last season. Shedeur had 39 scrambles. The leaders in the last 10 years were Mahomes, Daniels, and Jackson. Sanders was near them atound the range with Bryce Young. You don't have a 19.6 P2S rate and scramble as much as Shedeur if you aren't good at it.

Rosen metrics 79.5 adj under 2.5. Over 52% are under 2.5 seconds. Only 92 dropbacks under pressure for over 2.5 seconds.172 for Shedeur which was insane.

This is Josh NFL scouting report.
It literally misses the most important thing.


Josh foot speed in the pocket is horrible.
Yes, he has tremendous footwork and while Shedeur footwork can be horrible at times and he drifts too much but Shedeur has elite pocket footspeed. Footwork technique is overrated. I can teach anyone good footwork. I can't teach them to move their feet with pace like Sanders or Brees or Brady. Just a reminder, Mahomes had the worst footwork I've ever seen on tape for any QB prospect. Where is he at today in the NFL? Whereas Rosen had the worst footspeed in the pocket I've seen. Guess where he's at in today's NFL? Shough foot speed in the pocket is right there with Rosen

We actually have a Rosen in this draft. His name is Tyler Shough.
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What happened, I thought you wrote that you would no longer post on here because of your mission to God or whatever?

It seems like you have a personal connection with the Sanders, so I think that that might be clouding your judgement a bit.

I want Shedeur to succeed in the NFL, but I don’t think that he will.

Feel free to bring up my posts/ridicule me if I’m wrong.
 
JonSergeantMajor said:
What happened, I thought you wrote that you would no longer post on here because of your mission to God or whatever?

It seems like you have a personal connection with the Sanders, so I think that that might be clouding your judgement a bit.

I want Shedeur to succeed in the NFL, but I don’t think that he will.

Feel free to bring up my posts/ridicule me if I’m wrong.
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Sounds like you are saying this in jest. Don't do that my friend.

I have zero family connection to Shedeur. As I have said to others and like I do with everyone, I give them my exact opinion on their game. Unlike the Sanders, I have a 1st overall prospect in my family that was consensus nationally and I told him about his game, his impact, what he needs to do, etc. I didn't put him on a pedestal and will never do that to anyone. I never lied to him. I told him flat out, he wasn't a good tackler. He wasn't as good at football as his big brother but his size, speed, strength, and body type was world class and that's why every school and their mother wants him. I'll say the same to Shedeur and to any QB I evaluate.

You are literally saying we are high on Shedeur because he's a Buff. That's idiotic. In that case, every buff should he a 1st rounder that needs to be a 1st overall pick but we aren't saying that at all. Many of us are high on Shedeur because he's elite at pocket passing, elite at being elusiveness and his mental abilities are off the charts. We know he's flawed. We know he has limitations. We know he played way too much hero ball at Colorado. We also know he can turn around a NFL team as soon as he's selected, if you don't think so, oh well, you don't but don't speak for me when I posted my words live and in direct.
 
#1 pick said:
Sounds like you are saying this in jest. Don't do that my friend.

I have zero family connection to Shedeur. As I have said to others and like I do with everyone, I give them my exact opinion on their game. Unlike the Sanders, I have a 1st overall prospect in my family that was consensus nationally and I told him about his game, his impact, what he needs to do, etc. I didn't put him on a pedestal and will never do that to anyone. I never lied to him. I told him flat out, he wasn't a good tackler. He wasn't as good at football as his big brother but his size, speed, strength, and body type was world class and that's why every school and their mother wants him. I'll say the same to Shedeur and to any QB I evaluate.

You are literally saying we are high on Shedeur because he's a Buff. That's idiotic. In that case, every buff should he a 1st rounder that needs to be a 1st overall pick but we aren't saying that at all. Many of us are high on Shedeur because he's elite at pocket passing, elite at being elusiveness and his mental abilities are off the charts. We know he's flawed. We know he has limitations. We know he played way too much hero ball at Colorado. We also know he can turn around a NFL team as soon as he's selected, if you don't think so, oh well, you don't but don't speak for me when I posted my words live and in direct.
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Nice dodge of my first question!

IMO Travis should be the #1 pick and it’s not even close.

Shedeur not getting him (the Heisman winner) the ball more, when he knows he doesn’t have much time, is pretty much malpractice. It’s not like he was constantly doubled or anything. Travis was our best player, Shedeur was just along for the ride.

You gloss over all of Shedeur’s weaknesses as not a big deal, when, in fact, they’re a huge deal in the NFL.

If he gets drafted in the top 10, he’ll face similar challenges as he did with us and, without Travis, it’s not gonna look pretty. I thought that he would adapt last year after the year prior to that, but he got even worse and was primarily hero ball the entire year.

Zero pocket awareness, would get out of sacks to take even worse sacks, not ever taking what’s there, it was super ****ing frustrating.

Hopefully, he’ll improve vastly with NFL coaching, but I have my doubts.
 
JonSergeantMajor said:
Nice dodge of my first question!

IMO Travis should be the #1 pick and it’s not even close.

Shedeur not getting him (the Heisman winner) the ball more, when he knows he doesn’t have much time, is pretty much malpractice. It’s not like he was constantly doubled or anything. Travis was our best player, Shedeur was just along for the ride.

You gloss over all of Shedeur’s weaknesses as not a big deal, when, in fact, they’re a huge deal in the NFL.

If he gets drafted in the top 10, he’ll face similar challenges as he did with us and, without Travis, it’s not gonna look pretty. I thought that he would adapt last year after the year prior to that, but he got even worse and was primarily hero ball the entire year.

Zero pocket awareness, would get out of sacks to take even worse sacks, not ever taking what’s there, it was super ****ing frustrating.

Hopefully, he’ll improve vastly with NFL coaching, but I have my doubts.
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I don't think anyone thinks Shedeur is a better prospect than Travis.

Delusional

I have a full scouting report where his improvement areas have more detail than the strengths. That's simply a lie.

Without Travis
He played nearly two years without Travis. He was barely on offense at JSU. Shedeur put up excellent numbers and good impact.

At Colorado, he put us on his back against Colorado State, USC, and Arizona State. Oregon was a disaster but it would have been a disaster with Hunter as well. We simply couldn't protect 2. This year, he carried us against Kansas State without Travis and he played well against Arizona with Travis barely playing many snaps and wasn't himself. Saying he struggles without Travis simply isn't true.

Zero pocket awareness? Cherry picking specific plays. Yeah, you are one of those huh? 204 pressures with dropbacks yet:

Plus he improved his P2S rate this year to 19.6 from 25+ last year. It's hard to hate on Sanders when he just didn't get good protection. He does bring pressure to himself and that's an issue but let's not act like he has poor pocket awareness when he clearly doesn't.
 

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JonSergeantMajor said:
Nice dodge of my first question!

IMO Travis should be the #1 pick and it’s not even close.

Shedeur not getting him (the Heisman winner) the ball more, when he knows he doesn’t have much time, is pretty much malpractice. It’s not like he was constantly doubled or anything. Travis was our best player, Shedeur was just along for the ride.

You gloss over all of Shedeur’s weaknesses as not a big deal, when, in fact, they’re a huge deal in the NFL.

If he gets drafted in the top 10, he’ll face similar challenges as he did with us and, without Travis, it’s not gonna look pretty. I thought that he would adapt last year after the year prior to that, but he got even worse and was primarily hero ball the entire year.

Zero pocket awareness, would get out of sacks to take even worse sacks, not ever taking what’s there, it was super ****ing frustrating.

Hopefully, he’ll improve vastly with NFL coaching, but I have my doubts.
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What would lead you to believe that Shedeur will not respond to NFL coaching?

When guys come into the league dependent on their physical skills those are the guys who don't improve with pro level coaching. I earlier used the example of Paxton Lynch with the Broncos. He was the combine prototype, big, fast, strong arm, above average accuracy in drills. What he didn't do was study the offense he was in and the defenses he faced, he didn't work to make the adjustments he needed to make.

The offenses Shedeur ran at Jackson and at CU were obviously built around him because it would have been dumb not to take advantage of an elite talent, and especially at CU because other than Shedeur the elite talent CU had was at the WR positions. Even there though, and @#1 pick can go deeper into this than I because he watched him closely at Jackson State, Shedeur both adapted to adjustments and changes in the offense and made leaps in his abilities to read and attack defenses.

The hardest thing to build at the major college level is an offensive line. You not only have to fill five positions but you have to get those five to play in unison, as a single unit. If a receiving corps is lacking talent at one position or has a guy who doesn't meet the mental demands of the position you can go elsewhere. I.E. the Buffs never found a TE who was really a P4 level multi-dimensional threat. Compared to the Dorrell years the OL has made huge leaps but it was still grossly imcomplete. If your OL has one or more weaknesses quality DCs will see them and attack them.

As a result of all of this the reality was that if CU was going to win it wasn't going to be with a running game and a quick passing game. They had no choice but to put their fortunes on the ability of Shedeur and his WRs to make game breaking plays with the deep passing game. Result an offense that ask him to play hero ball holding the ball until he could find big plays deep.

In the pros he will be trained to more often go to his quick read, find and go to the shorter breaking receiver, to use his TEs and his slot WR instead of depending on waiting for somebody to get open deep. He has already shown clearly he can make those throws and even his critics acknowledge that he has above average intelligence as a QB.

He will have to improve his footwork in the pocket and learn to trust his early reads, those are things that plenty of young QBs have had to do. Zero reason to believe that Shedeur can't or won't do the same.

The media people who are talking about him falling out of the 1st round are making stuff up for clicks, that isn't happening. He may fall some in part because the teams that are at the top of the draft are frequently teams that have a history of making mistakes.

This isn't just Buffs fan talking but I believe he is a better pro prospect than Cam Ward. He isn't as good as some of the highly drafted guys in recent years drafts but he is a first round worthy QB and QB is far and away the most valuable position in the game. He will go high. Travis may be the best football player in the draft in a number of years but not being a QB and the confusion about exactly how to use him will likely drop him a few spots.
 
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I don't think anyone thinks Shedeur is a better prospect than Travis.

Delusional

I have a full scouting report where his improvement areas have more detail than the strengths. That's simply a lie.

Without Travis
He played nearly two years without Travis. He was barely on offense at JSU. Shedeur put up excellent numbers and good impact.

At Colorado, he put us on his back against Colorado State, USC, and Arizona State. Oregon was a disaster but it would have been a disaster with Hunter as well. We simply couldn't protect 2. This year, he carried us against Kansas State without Travis and he played well against Arizona with Travis barely playing many snaps and wasn't himself. Saying he struggles without Travis simply isn't true.

Zero pocket awareness? Cherry picking specific plays. Yeah, you are one of those huh? 204 pressures with dropbacks yet:
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I know it was only one play, but look at this play against Kansas last year. It’s a perfect encapsulation of his game. He doesn’t pass it unless it’s perfect. It took him 13 seconds to get a pass off (that ended up being incomplete) and risked a major injury. Just stupid!



How about this game against Oregon in the first half? I’d say at least two of those were on him.

 
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