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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

hokiehead said:
There were multiple reports visible to fans just before the draft that SS was unlikely to go 1R. By end of R2, we were seeing reports he may fall multiple more or even go undrafted. If those reports were available to average fans, I suspect more credible reporting was available to GMs.

I suspect teams have people who study player movement and draft trends of other teams with the goal of predicting what those other teams' next moves are.

And, I suspect if there was anything to rumors about lingering injury concerns, or bad interviews, or "non-teamplayer attitude" or whatever were true, that many teams knew more than we did.
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Ok. If there was collusion ahead of time to not pick him before round 5.

Absent collusion, it’s rumors, gut feel, and guessing. I doubt NFL execs ever really know there’s leaks but only takes one team.

I think there may have been collusion and this intentional leaks as well.
 
My not really that serious but ha ha inside joke i was making to myself was that SS was sandbagging the interviews to avoid being taken by Cleveland at all costs.

Oh well. :sneaky: Maybe in a few years he'll find a better situation a la former Brown QB Baker Mayfield.
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
Make sure you really cheer him on.
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He knows I support him.
Pete Davidson Finger Guns GIF by First We Feast
 
cu3x said:
I read a 'knowledgeable' commentator saying that the nfl and the owners were just fed up with college kids calling the shots and SS was ripe to be made an example of. This was a lesson to all future draftees - the league is in charge.

Given all the facts out there (i.e. espn did dozens of mock drafts and SS never went lower than #19), if they can find any evidence that there were some discussions or agreements between any of the big boys, they should sue in civil court. Definitely several torts involved. It would be an easy sell to a jury

If I was CP, I'd quietly hire the best PI in NY and get them to work. Somebody bragged to a wife or a buddy. Goddell made $50 million a year and a jet, years back - they will get no sympathy, if they set out to interfere with/harm this kid's future. Spend 100k and find out.


I get the the talk about arrogance and entitlement, but these guys have drafted men who many say are rapists.
This was absolutely not a situation where all of the GMs, owners and scouts decided to forget about his ability and not take him
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Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if the damages exceed first round money should they go that route. And they will go that route
 
Medford M. said:
It’s true. Lama attaches himself to certain players and just loses it at the slightest critique of them.

He’s already picked Julian Lewis as his guy to be completely irrational about for the next few years.
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You know someone has a low EQ when he can't see that his behavior mirrors the behavior he hates
 
slider said:
Shedeur has to show well this year or hope the Browns have a really good year. Next year’s QB draft is stacked and the Browns have two 1’s next year to position themselves to move up
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As Klatt said, next year’s QB class is deep not necessarily elite.
 
PAHIBuff said:
It’s unsettling that a college sophomore would have a “favorite superhero”. Is 19 the new 10? JFC….
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But it's Iron Man, bro. Even if he hadn't said it, we could have guessed it after looking at his picture and him writing that he's into lifting. Of course he loves the Marvel character who is a physically weak asshole but becomes the strongest super hero because he's rich as fvck.
 
cu3x said:
I read a 'knowledgeable' commentator saying that the nfl and the owners were just fed up with college kids calling the shots and SS was ripe to be made an example of. This was a lesson to all future draftees - the league is in charge.

Given all the facts out there (i.e. espn did dozens of mock drafts and SS never went lower than #19), if they can find any evidence that there were some discussions or agreements between any of the big boys, they should sue in civil court. Definitely several torts involved. It would be an easy sell to a jury

If I was CP, I'd quietly hire the best PI in NY and get them to work. Somebody bragged to a wife or a buddy. Goddell made $50 million a year and a jet, years back - they will get no sympathy, if they set out to interfere with/harm this kid's future. Spend 100k and find out.


I get the the talk about arrogance and entitlement, but these guys have drafted men who many say are rapists.
This was absolutely not a situation where all of the GMs, owners and scouts decided to forget about his ability and not take him
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Everyone needs to understand how organizations like this think. It's a culture set at the top and how ownership looks at employees and players.

They are not people. They are either performing assets or non-performing assets on a cost/benefit scale. Zero fvcks are given about whether a guy is a criminal, abuses women, or whatever, as long as he doesn't get caught and/or have it impact his availability or performance. The greater the performance or higher the potential performance, the more bullsh!t management, coaches and/or teammates are expected to put up with and even be enablers for.

What they have little patience for are guys who are aware of the culture and don't humble themselves and kiss the ring. Guys who know the score and will butt heads with coaches if they're not being utilized in a way that maximizes their stardom & earning potential and butt heads with management if they're not being paid market value or aren't being provided teammates that are good enough... those are the guys who they see as having attitude problems and being disruptive influences who get coaches and executives fired. It's why even the elite talents in pro sports can end up being run out of town, end up playing for multiple teams during their careers, and have their character assassinated even though they perform and don't have off-field issues (i.e., Randy Moss, Jimmy Butler, etc).

Heck, consider how much vitriol Deion Sanders was subjected to because he was playing 2 pro sports while being very focused on what he was being paid and maximizing his endorsements and celebrity.

This is what they saw with Shedeur and why they decided that the bulljunk, from the perspective of ownership/ management/ coaches exceeded the talent in their cost/ benefit analysis. The fact that he would be good, draw a lot of attention, and have the support of teammates (who support another player getting his and live by a code of never getting between another player and his money) because he's a great teammate from their perspective... they saw it as a negative. The analysis was, "Yes, we can win with Shedeur as our QB. But we don't want to and he's not a generational talent so we can justify a strategy of trying to win a different way without him."
 
@Buffnik , my memory is different from yours. When DS was a player, I was following sports closer than at any other point in my life. I don't recall vitriol at all over the two sport playing. I recall tons of hype and positive pop publicity.

I'm sure there were some haters, but my memory is most of the sports world watching him and going, "damnnnn".
 
hokiehead said:
@Buffnik , my memory is different from yours. When DS was a player, I was following sports closer than at any other point in my life. I don't recall vitriol at all over the two sport playing. I recall tons of hype and positive pop publicity.

I'm sure there were some haters, but my memory is most of the sports world watching him and going, "damnnnn".
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Tim McCarver is the only guy I really remember going after him.
 
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