SerenityBuff
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10 WRs, no linemen.
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Should the Buffs go with a 4 WR offense this year?
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BuffLuke80
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Is the qb supposed to snap to himself or what.
I can't tell if you thought you were arguing with me or agreeing with me. Based on your recent rep, I'm guessing you think you're arguing with me!
Was mostly just making a statement that had to do with your post. I agree with you, but just think that he'll be a significant factor in the read option game, maybe more so than you believe, or at least what I got from your post.
This,
Run him enough that he presents a threat that the defense has to account for. Run him in situations and schemes were he can gain the maximum yardage with the least solid contact.
Modern college offenses almost require some big plays by the QB running the ball, by forcing the defense to respect that they have to compromise on stopping other things.
Montez in his limited time looked to be quicker and more elusive than Sefo, take advantage and get him in situations were a single defender has to make a play or it is a big gain. Let somebody else take the abuse on the short yardage stuff.
BuffLuke80
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Call a few runs for him, don't go crazy with it. If he needs to improvise, so be it.
I think Montez can run and we will as much as we need to. But I also think the threat of him running, makes the defense defend against him keeping the ball and that is just as important. I do hope we don't run him on the power runs nearly as much as Sefo.
we will see 4wr sets of course, especially based upon matchups.
but, my personal opinion is that our very best teams historically have been teams that could control the game via the run game. yes, i know it is a different time. but there is a lot of room on the spectrum between grass basketball on the one side and the wishbone on the other. a pro-style multiple set is our best choice, overall.
most important game of the season next year (early, early perspective) is usc. we get them at home; they will likely come in very highly ranked. if you want to model your offense in the p12, i would model ours after what usc has traditionally done-- pro multiple set, with a strong run game. if we can upset them and then continue to have a good year, we will recruit well in california. and, we can still pull guys from texas. guys want to play in the league. that means putting them into offenses that the nfl values. we don't need no stinkin' gimmicks to win if we get enough guys in here.
but, yeah, we have good wideouts, so yeah, run more 4wr sets. as long as we are nasty upfront and running with power, we will be good. i do think montez might be able to do some damage with his feet in a spread set-- that's just not the base identity i would be shooting for if i were the KING of CU Football.
but, my personal opinion is that our very best teams historically have been teams that could control the game via the run game. yes, i know it is a different time. but there is a lot of room on the spectrum between grass basketball on the one side and the wishbone on the other. a pro-style multiple set is our best choice, overall.
most important game of the season next year (early, early perspective) is usc. we get them at home; they will likely come in very highly ranked. if you want to model your offense in the p12, i would model ours after what usc has traditionally done-- pro multiple set, with a strong run game. if we can upset them and then continue to have a good year, we will recruit well in california. and, we can still pull guys from texas. guys want to play in the league. that means putting them into offenses that the nfl values. we don't need no stinkin' gimmicks to win if we get enough guys in here.
but, yeah, we have good wideouts, so yeah, run more 4wr sets. as long as we are nasty upfront and running with power, we will be good. i do think montez might be able to do some damage with his feet in a spread set-- that's just not the base identity i would be shooting for if i were the KING of CU Football.
Well we're gonna be almost exclusively out the shotgun outside of short yardage, so...
Ok Embree. Not to mention that kids seem to not consider pro style offenses as important to their development. See Oregon since Chip got there. Only QBs seem to care. Everyone else? They like scoring touchdowns.
yo, dinosaur, the NFL is a ton of 3 and 4 WR spread formations these days. Get with the times.
It's going to be interesting to watch NFL offenses evolve in the coming years. So many teams have been trying to force all these spread college players into an NFL system and it's severely affecting QB and OL play, as well as the role the TE is playing. Carolina is a good example of a team who has basically gone to that type of offense with Cam, but now with McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel being their top two picks, I think they are basically going to be running a college offense.
Kevin Wilson and Chad Morris offenses have nothing in common with Mike Leach and Hal Mumme offenses besides base formations. I'm not sure that most CU fans realize there's such a thing as a "power spread" and it is kicking ass.
Listen to the Auburn fan, folks.
BuffLuke80
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Might not hurt to have a power back whether it's spread or not. I guess it isn't a necessity but wouldn't hurt, especially a versatile one.
Malzahn is more split backs with a TE in the X slot, but it's some spread, rarely has a TE put a hand on the ground, and is an explosive power run offense. On a similar note, Briles did a lot of that, too as a spread based on the old veer offense.
yeah, i know. get off my lawn.
ps. for those of you pointing at carolina and talking about the evolution of the offenses in the nfl, i retort with 2 points:
1. how many cam newtons are there in the world? there just aren't that many guys who can throw like that and run like that.
2. chip kelly. LOLOLOLOL
Pffff, power running just means I-Formation and 2 TEs, though, it has nothing to do with the actual blocking scheme!
is this right? we aren't going to be under center except in short yardage? i know we did it a ton last year but with sefo mostly hurt i thought it was to open it up for him. dang.
BuffLuke80
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There aren't many. I wonder what Kordell would've done in the spread.
Just @ me or quote me next time. I wasn't trying to say that every team is going to have Cam Newton at QB, but there has clearly been a shift in college to athletes who can throw playing QB rather than passers who can kind of run, and the NFL is starting to adapt to those guys rather than force them to learn the traditional Pro Style.
John Gruden did his QB camp with Paxton Lynch last year and there was a part where they were breaking down film and Gruden rattled off the name of a play (it was pretty long) and asked Lynch what they called it at Memphis. Lynch said, "We just called that Purple". How the **** can these college QBs transition to a traditional NFL playbook when all they've ever known is a single word or short phrase for the play call? Also, all the pre-snap thinking in college is mostly done from the booth or the sideline, not from the QB himself. Another massive transition for most college QBs once they get to the league, that NFL coaches have to adapt to.
You think they got there because of their O?
How about all 4 final teams ranked in top 10 on D!
Maybe we should emulate their D instead.
Both. All four playoff teams had elite offenses and defenses.
in terms of offensive philosophy, i am all for "whatever works" but i won't miss watching one-legged sefo attempt a qb dive on 3rd and 1 against a stacked box and me cringing wondering if he will get up after the hit.
i think we may be able to differentiate by not running a briles or leach style offense, but i am not religious about it.
i think we may be able to differentiate by not running a briles or leach style offense, but i am not religious about it.
You are right, we should eliminate one of Montez's biggest talents because we have too much talent at WR...
Montez a a runner is more of a scrambler, out side the tackles kind of runner. Think of a QB in the UN-Reno Kaepernick mold. Sefo took such a beating because we used him as our power back between the tackles way too many times. That isn't Montez's game.
Montez a a runner is more of a scrambler, out side the tackles kind of runner. Think of a QB in the UN-Reno Kaepernick mold. Sefo took such a beating because we used him as our power back between the tackles way too many times. That isn't Montez's game.
True, but out of the 4 the highest scoring O was Washington. Strong running game passing out pro style set with play action pass.
I corrected myself last time. I know he will run, I just don't want to see all the up the middle QB keeps. I want him healthy all year. I believe he is a better passer than Sefo, and I would rather have him distributing the ball then taking all those hits.