Sounds like it.
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SI: CU Assistant Coach's Victim Seeks Justice
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Fair enough, now we are getting somewhere, I think.
So when should he have been suspended, after the phone call, or when he was suspended, or at some point in between? I am really trying to understand your point of view.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Then RG blew it. If what the report says she told Mac is true the authorities should have been notified immediately. The HR piece of this is not the issue - Tumpkin could have continued to abuse her whether he was on staff, suspended, or fired. What if he had beat her to death a week after she first called Mac? They couldn't just hide behind the excuse that they kept quiet because she didn't want him to go to jail.
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Big Jim
WTF?
I hope so. I don't know if we will ever know CU's side of the story.
One point confuses me in this story. How in the world, if true, would Tumpkin's private defense attorney get info from MacIntyre's cell phone voice mail? If this is true then there are no justifiable answers.
I really doubt Plati knew a thing till the Camera contacted him.
Promotion is a bit of a stretch here. His pay didn't change, his job title didn't change.
Forgotten in all this discussion is who M2 and even RG are.
The morally and legally correct conclusion to this situation was reached. Tumpkin was first suspended then terminated from his employment with the University of Colorado. Could it have happened faster? Certainly but frankly not a great deal faster.
There is nothing other than unfounded speculation indicating that anyone tried to cover up what happened, tried to delay or discourage the Police and/or the District Attorney in performing their duties, or tried to discourage the victim from pursuing her charges or from receiving help. To have acted faster though may have placed the university at risk had the women's claims turned out to be wrong.
In all of this M2 is not an attorney, he is not an HR person, he is not a victims advocate. He is a football coach with a skill set oriented to and developed for running a football program, not dealing with criminal acts.
This is not a Baylor, Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, etc. CU did not hide anything or try to protect anyone, they simply acted a little slower than some would have liked and gave SI an opportunity to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
The morally and legally correct conclusion to this situation was reached. Tumpkin was first suspended then terminated from his employment with the University of Colorado. Could it have happened faster? Certainly but frankly not a great deal faster.
There is nothing other than unfounded speculation indicating that anyone tried to cover up what happened, tried to delay or discourage the Police and/or the District Attorney in performing their duties, or tried to discourage the victim from pursuing her charges or from receiving help. To have acted faster though may have placed the university at risk had the women's claims turned out to be wrong.
In all of this M2 is not an attorney, he is not an HR person, he is not a victims advocate. He is a football coach with a skill set oriented to and developed for running a football program, not dealing with criminal acts.
This is not a Baylor, Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, etc. CU did not hide anything or try to protect anyone, they simply acted a little slower than some would have liked and gave SI an opportunity to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
One thing I think most people would agree upon... Plati ****ing sucks at his job. He makes bad situations worse with his temper and inability to see how his replies will play with the public. This is crucial since he is supposed to be in the PR business. I think it's time for Plati to retire.
8Jah
Well-Known Member
Could you elaborate?
I don't know about the mandatory reporting to Title IX as has been mentioned (I don't see the Title IX relation as it has to do with equal opportunity within education), but there is a good chance that there was mandatory reporting of some kind, either to law enforcement or an office at the school that deals with sexual assaults or harassment.
Primary and secondary school teachers have mandatory reporting for any knowledge or suspicion of abuse. That mandatory reporting does not mean report to your boss, it means you must report to law enforcement/county department that helps facilitate things for abuse victims. In fact, teachers can get jail time for not reporting to the proper authorities, even if knowledge of or suspicion of abuse was reported to principals, deans, or counselors at the school.
Again, I don't know about mandatory reporting laws for higher education in Colorado, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was something in place, especially after the Penn State/Sandusky coverups. So basically, if there is any type of policy, MM could still be at fault even if reporting to his superiors (RG & PD). Obviously the victim is not associated with the school, so that part doesn't apply, but since the suspected abuser is, there are still specific channels that must be notified.
Primary and secondary school teachers have mandatory reporting for any knowledge or suspicion of abuse. That mandatory reporting does not mean report to your boss, it means you must report to law enforcement/county department that helps facilitate things for abuse victims. In fact, teachers can get jail time for not reporting to the proper authorities, even if knowledge of or suspicion of abuse was reported to principals, deans, or counselors at the school.
Again, I don't know about mandatory reporting laws for higher education in Colorado, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was something in place, especially after the Penn State/Sandusky coverups. So basically, if there is any type of policy, MM could still be at fault even if reporting to his superiors (RG & PD). Obviously the victim is not associated with the school, so that part doesn't apply, but since the suspected abuser is, there are still specific channels that must be notified.
He is the person the media contacts for comment on CU AD matters. While I am sure the strategy is a team effort (he is a member of that group), he is the AD's primary point of contact/comment. He's in a "how you say it > what you say" job. In my estimation, he's been pretty bad.
I think those laws are mostly in relation to underage kids that don't know the difference. I don't think there is the same law with adults. I could be wrong though.
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Again, I also have no clue as to if there is such a law, and was just comparing the situation to what must happen in primary and secondary schools. That said, the law has nothing with "not knowing the difference," as many victims know the abuse is occurring, but don't want to or feel that they can do something about it - see "Jane." I edited the end to clarify why there may still be a procedure that must be followed if there is a type of law. The students and athletes at the university are exposed to the suspected abuser, so that's the connection.
I can't agree with you more here. Spot on
To me I think this really comes down to Mac and RG trying to do the right thing (there can be opinions on what the right thing to do was) vs trying to cover this up and brush it under the rug. We still don't have all the facts and probably never will. But it sounds like the plan was to let this play out legally and then take action based on those results. It's pretty obvious to see how someone in their position could come to that conclusion. I can understand disagreeing on the approach they took, but being disgusted, ashamed, or angry at anyone in this situation other than Tumpkin I can't really wrap my head around.
Somewhat agree. It seems like MM and RG wanted to let the legal process play out quietly until the Daily Camera forced their hand. Key wording being "quietly."
Mb2658
Well-Known Member
Agreed. If they were actively passing information on to Tumpkin's private defense attorney, their entire argument about wanting to remain impartial kind of goes out of the window and it makes it look more like a "what can we do to make this go away" situation.
No coach seeks out situations like this and most aren't even prepared to deal with them. That is why the University should have had their own staff attorney contact the victim. It would have preserved their impartiality and the optics would have been more in their favor.
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vinniew_11
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At that point, why didn't SHE go to the authorities? Why call Mac? That's what confuses me.
If you are not going to go to the authorities, how can you have that guy given more responsibilities with something so serious hanging over him?
I hope CU will issue a statement from the chancellors office that states exactly what procedure was followed, why it was proper (from a legal standpoint), and that everyone acted in the manner that was expected for a situation like this that occurred between an employee and an adult not affiliated in any way with the university.
8Jah
Well-Known Member
First of all Tumkin was charged with second and third order assault, not first degree assault, sexual assault or rape. The latter are misdemeanors and the third are often reduced to misdemeanors. So right of the bat there is a BIG DIFFERENCE IN SEVERITY between the molestation, rape and sexual assault charges at PSU, Baylor and FSU. ...and for Christ's sake please don't hyperbolicly accuse me of not supporting the victim for saying this. If he did so much as push her, then she is a victim.
CU also suspended Tumkin within a month of receiving the call.
For legal reasons the University is not going to let MM tell his full side of the story, but we will learn much more in the press conference and official statements that are soon to follow. We should reserve judgements at least until then.
CU also suspended Tumkin within a month of receiving the call.
For legal reasons the University is not going to let MM tell his full side of the story, but we will learn much more in the press conference and official statements that are soon to follow. We should reserve judgements at least until then.
Big Jim
WTF?
Your first two sentences are pretty fair. After that it is pure speculation...how are we to discern the AD and coache's plan when their only comments are no comment. We cannot possibly know if their plan was to see how the legal process played out versus do nothing and hope it never sees the light of day. If Tumpkin's privately hired defense attorney in fact had access to inside knowledge at CU then your theory unravels. I dang sure hope you are right.
Big Jim
WTF?
That is toeing the line on what is now called "victim blaming".
DiggerBuffs
Well-Known Member
This thread name is ****ing stupid. Simple.
This whole thing sucks. Whole story is out. It shows you the ass dragging and timing.
This whole thing sucks. Whole story is out. It shows you the ass dragging and timing.
DiggerBuffs
Well-Known Member
They didn't know it was permanent until then.
It wasn't permanent when they suspended him, was it?