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So, once CU cashes those Big Ten checks

Also, gutting the "inside" of the stadium where the bathrooms and other classrooms currently are, making the bathrooms bigger, nicer and less of an outhouse, and also add more of them throughout. More concessions and beer stands. Shorter lines = more drinking = more profit.

Honestly, the entire stadium needs a full renovation outside of the Champions Center area
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think a renovation/expansion of the West side and Balch FH has major potential. Bigger/better beer garden, a few full service bars, big screens everywhere with actual TV game audio throughout. Basically, make Balch like the party deck at Coors Field. Not sure how feasible it would be but maybe even open up a viewing area of the field as well. Normal game tickets get you access, but you can buy tickets specifically for that area.
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I'm for that idea and expand the playing field to where we can have LAX and soccer on it. I think Folsom Field is too good of a place to limit to six home football games a year. MLAX and men's soccer would mean at least 20 athletic contests at Folsom Field a year and that is not including the women's sports. If the women are included, that would be about 35 athletic events at Folsom Field and throw in some concerts to make it 40 a year.
 
Gramburglar said:
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But I worry given CUs limited Olympic sports offerings how attractive generally is the department to the rest of the conference? I think at a minimum CU needs build a matrix of how many teams and what sports are all the other conference members are offering. Start adding sports that have men’s/women’s counterparts lax, soccer, volleyball, tennis. Then move towards sports requiring capital building investment like swimming and baseball/softball. Unfortunately this too means CU is going to need to cut the passion sport of skiing.
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Good points on limited number of sports being an impact on attractiveness for expansion. I still don't see a case to add more, but the CUAD has to show they have a plan and the resources to grow to meet requiremenof a new conference.

I disagree about skiing -- being a perennial NC contender in any sport lends credibility to the AD. CU should continue to invest in skiing.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Yes. Win conference titles in football before even thinking about adding sports. Additional sports are a terrible ROI.

In this hypothetical scenario, the BIG has already added us so we don’t need to add sports to look more attractive. We have 17 varsity sports, Oklahoma has 19 - BFD, adding lacrosse or baseball will be a drag on the AD.
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Fair, personally I have become less interested in football, still love the excitement game day and winning, but it’s not the priority it was once for me.

I agree with the sentiment that Folsom is too amazing a space to be used 6 times a year and then sporadically in the off season. It’s purpose is to be used and profitable. The AD has done this with the Champion Center, integrating with UC Health. The Club level is has value as event space, but largely the field house and the stadium offer no value outside game day. One obvious fix is to add additional field sports to bring people to camps. Collect revenue for parking, concessions, minimum ticket fees. The next is to create an attractive space to host concerts, conventions, or notable events.

As the sports count, I don’t see how skiing can survive another conference move and as documented in other discussions the collegiate competition is shrinking. So hypothetically CU has 15 varsity sports.
 
Jens1893 said:
Do we need to increase revenue to do this?
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You would think not (in any meaningful way). Simply pointing to a common infrastructure complaint that has yet to be mentioned in this thread, but has been a reoccurring source of complaint over the years, and has had a noticeable negative impact on the game day experience of fans (especially students).
 
fwiw, I don't think the B1G would poach the Pac12 due to the long, traditional relationship. Much more likely that there's a scheduling alliance while the B1G looks to the Domers and the East for expansion possibilities.

I actually think the Rose Bowl could become an even bigger deal at the end of this shakeup.
 
Buffnik said:
fwiw, I don't think the B1G would poach the Pac12 due to the long, traditional relationship. Much more likely that there's a scheduling alliance while the B1G looks to the Domers and the East for expansion possibilities.
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I've been saying the same thing for a few days now, that the B1G won't raid the Pac12 because of their long-standing relationship. To me that's the biggest thing standing in way of CU potentially getting an invite to the B1G. But hopefully the B1G will take the attitude that it's not their job to worry about the Pac12 and come after CU and someone else - who cares at that point.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Also, gutting the "inside" of the stadium where the bathrooms and other classrooms currently are, making the bathrooms bigger, nicer and less of an outhouse, and also add more of them throughout. More concessions and beer stands. Shorter lines = more drinking = more profit.

Honestly, the entire stadium needs a full renovation outside of the Champions Center area
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show me the money GIF
 
Buffnik said:
fwiw, I don't think the B1G would poach the Pac12 due to the long, traditional relationship. Much more likely that there's a scheduling alliance while the B1G looks to the Domers and the East for expansion possibilities.

I actually think the Rose Bowl could become an even bigger deal at the end of this shakeup.
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I go back to the this paragraph in the athletic a couple days ago - and in the end, I agree with the author wholeheartedly:

This round of realignment — just like all the rest — will be a competition between the people who believe there are rules to this sort of thing and the people who are limited only by the boundaries of their imaginations. The second group usually wins, and the first group usually seems surprised when it loses.
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The author also notes in the very next paragraph that both the B1G and the P12 have new commissioners, the B1G's came from the NFL and P12 from MGM.

theathletic.com

Staples: Conference realignment is a ruthless business, which is why Big Ten should consider raiding its old friend, the Pac-12

New commissioners Kevin Warren and George Kliavkoff must decide on their rules of engagement in a process devoid of rules.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 
skibum said:
I go back to the this paragraph in the athletic a couple days ago - and in the end, I agree with the author wholeheartedly:



The author also notes in the very next paragraph that both the B1G and the P12 have new commissioners, the B1G's came from the NFL and P12 from MGM.

theathletic.com

Staples: Conference realignment is a ruthless business, which is why Big Ten should consider raiding its old friend, the Pac-12

New commissioners Kevin Warren and George Kliavkoff must decide on their rules of engagement in a process devoid of rules.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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What a Pac 12 move it’d be to hire a commissioner who specializes in digital media relations, with the idea that he will make the current conference more profitable, only to have that experience not mean much because major realignment happens, which he isn’t as well equipped to navigate as his B1G counterpart.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
What a Pac 12 move it’d be to hire a commissioner who specializes in digital media relations, with the idea that he will make the current conference more profitable, only to have that experience not mean much because major realignment happens, which he isn’t as well equipped to navigate as his B1G counterpart.
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Glass half full: what a great move it'd be to hire a commissioner who isn't boxed in by preconceived notions of how things "should work," so he pushes ahead with a creative expansion/alliance that positions the conference at the forefront of college football.

Not saying I believe that, but getting college football and the pac-12 to any endpoint that isn't a 24-36 "super league" of which the majority of current P12 schools are not a part, is going to require some serious out of the box thinking. Sometimes an outsider can provide that; although their chances of success are somewhat slim, insiders chances are usually even lower.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think a renovation/expansion of the West side and Balch FH has major potential. Bigger/better beer garden, a few full service bars, big screens everywhere with actual TV game audio throughout. Basically, make Balch like the party deck at Coors Field. Not sure how feasible it would be but maybe even open up a viewing area of the field as well. Normal game tickets get you access, but you can buy tickets specifically for that area.
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with the quality/legacy of the track program, CU deserves a much better indoor track as well –– there is also potential for winter invitationals to get some revenue from the CO high school track community (I remember running a few 800s there in high school, that flat 200m track was absolutely brutal)
 
skibum said:
I go back to the this paragraph in the athletic a couple days ago - and in the end, I agree with the author wholeheartedly:



The author also notes in the very next paragraph that both the B1G and the P12 have new commissioners, the B1G's came from the NFL and P12 from MGM.

theathletic.com

Staples: Conference realignment is a ruthless business, which is why Big Ten should consider raiding its old friend, the Pac-12

New commissioners Kevin Warren and George Kliavkoff must decide on their rules of engagement in a process devoid of rules.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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Yup. Come on Kevin Warren, give us a call!

Let's be real here. No conference commissioner, university president or athletic director makes any decision after a philosophical pause to ponder, "Hey, is this good for the entirety of college athletics?" No, their moves have been and will always be based on what is best for their conference, their university and their athletic department. That's the gig. This is a world of people who are competitive by nature. Their goal is to always be No. 1, whether it be wins earned or dollars in the bank. And none of those people are going to lose their jobs in a manner that leaves them screaming as they are escorted out of the building, "I know it wasn't best for us, but consider college sports as a whole!"
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www.espn.com

Let's be real about a likely Texas-OU move to SEC: It's all about being No. 1

Growing and changing any sport isn't new and, at most times, is necessary. But the rumblings of Texas and Oklahoma likely moving to the SEC remind us that the power brokers pulling the strings don't factor in the greater good.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Yup. Come on Kevin Warren, give us a call!



www.espn.com

Let's be real about a likely Texas-OU move to SEC: It's all about being No. 1

Growing and changing any sport isn't new and, at most times, is necessary. But the rumblings of Texas and Oklahoma likely moving to the SEC remind us that the power brokers pulling the strings don't factor in the greater good.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Journalistic integrity at ESPN has got to be a touchy thing these days, particularly on this topic.

Article mentions nothing about ESPN being at the table during talks. Positions it as the schools driving this completely in a chase for media revenue. No mention of who is dangling the carrot while also holding the stick.
 
Buffnik said:
Journalistic integrity at ESPN has got to be a touchy thing these days, particularly on this topic.

Article mentions nothing about ESPN being at the table during talks. Positions it as the schools driving this completely in a chase for media revenue. No mention of who is dangling the carrot while also holding the stick.
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Yea Wilner had an article a few days ago suggesting just that
 
Upgrades to Folsom is the obvious first thing to spend on. The Boulder and the rest of the greater Denver metro area is large enough to support another large outdoor venue besides Mile High. Modernizing the press box and Balch are the first priorities. A large rooftop area like Coors Field has should be prioritized. Expansion into hockey makes no sense for CU due to the presence of DU and Colorado College. Baseball doesn’t either due to space constraints. Adding more Olympic sports would be a good path to take but they require building up revenue producing sports much more. Getting rid of skiing would be an absolute disaster for the athletic department. You do not abandon a sport that your university is a national contender in and is deeply tied to the state it exists in.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Yea Wilner had an article a few days ago suggesting just that
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I'm glad that outside of hoops recruiting analysis and preseason p12 standings predictions that Wilmer and I find some common ground.

However, there's a difference between poaching and responding. If certain p12 schools contacted the B1G, I'd expect them to be receptive rather than refuse to entertain the idea.
 
Gramburglar said:
Fair, personally I have become less interested in football, still love the excitement game day and winning, but it’s not the priority it was once for me.

I agree with the sentiment that Folsom is too amazing a space to be used 6 times a year and then sporadically in the off season. It’s purpose is to be used and profitable. The AD has done this with the Champion Center, integrating with UC Health. The Club level is has value as event space, but largely the field house and the stadium offer no value outside game day. One obvious fix is to add additional field sports to bring people to camps. Collect revenue for parking, concessions, minimum ticket fees. The next is to create an attractive space to host concerts, conventions, or notable events.

As the sports count, I don’t see how skiing can survive another conference move and as documented in other discussions the collegiate competition is shrinking. So hypothetically CU has 15 varsity sports.
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Do other major universities do this with their stadiums? Seems a little weird to me.
 
CUAviator said:
Do other major universities do this with their stadiums? Seems a little weird to me.
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Most NFL stadiums do (concerts and other events), but I’m not sure about other major CFB stadiums. Doesn’t matter what others do, though. Boulder is a unique place that is very attractive to the avid concert goers. CU should absolutely be opening Folsom up for other revenue generating events than just football.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Most NFL stadiums do (concerts and other events), but I’m not sure about other major CFB stadiums. Doesn’t matter what others do, though. Boulder is a unique place that is very attractive to the avid concert goers. CU should absolutely be opening Folsom up for other revenue generating events than just football.
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The biggest issue that I believe holds them back is turf ware and tear. They do have a cover system that protects it for things like the Boulder Bolder and concerts. If other sports started using it like Soccer and Lacrosse the field would be in crappy shape by late fall. Soccer is supposed to lose Prentup to a new building sometime soon if I remember correctly.
 
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