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Spring Football News

White_Rabbit said:
Who on earth is Carl? Did we hire a new coach and nobody told me?!
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Lance Carl has a title like Associate AD or something similar. Basically, he's the AD's director for football in terms of responsibilities. He and MacIntyre pretty much meet daily.
 
buffaholic said:
Isaac Miller getting a little bubble on his butt! hilarious!

Carl seems to call it like he sees it. Definitely took some shots at Bobo, Ross and Kronshage (also at Walters). When I saw Kronshage's girlfriend, I had my doubts....Way too hot for an OL guy to be with!

Carl and HCMM have both been hyping the last two OL classes, which has been the major critique of the recruiting.
We'll see down the road if it's just early hype.
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The key in developing OL is strength. The key to strength is Olympic lifting. This OL was doing fancy "health club lifting" under Forman.
Under Lewis they are truly lifting heavy weights in traditional Olympic style, with kickass motivators in both Lewis and Chiv. It will make a difference.
 
Buffenuf said:
The key in developing OL is strength. The key to strength is Olympic lifting. This OL was doing fancy "health club lifting" under Forman.
Under Lewis they are truly lifting heavy weights in traditional Olympic style, with kickass motivators in both Lewis and Chiv. It will make a difference.
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For the 17th time in a row, we've now hired the right S&C coach to fix our problem in the trenches.....

We live in the age of supplements. Forman's program was right out of Stanford. Somehow, he didn't bring the supplements with him. Stanford's O-Linemen were HUGE.

Put me down as not buying any of it.
 
Buffenuf said:
The key in developing OL is strength. The key to strength is Olympic lifting. This OL was doing fancy "health club lifting" under Forman.
Under Lewis they are truly lifting heavy weights in traditional Olympic style, with kickass motivators in both Lewis and Chiv. It will make a difference.
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I disagree. The results of modern training break through plateaues faster and result in increased long term flexibility. Formans results were not perfect, but we went through too many knees before him. A blended program tailored towards strength and body mass using historic power lifting and modern flexibility and muscle confusion can be amazing. My outside impression was that foreman put a lot of emphasis on keeping guys lean, and Mac needs big bodies. I sure hope the new training helps the line, but I think our problems there were not based entirely in the off season lifting program.
 
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pcbuff said:
I disagree. The results of modern training break through plateaued faster and result in increased long term flexibility. Formans results were not perfect, but we went through do many knees before him. A blended program tailored towards strength and body mass using historic power lifting and modern flexibility and muscle confusion can be amazing. My outside impression was that foreman put a lot of emphasis on keeping guys lean, and Mac needs big bodies. I sure hope the new training helps the line, but I think our problems there were not based entirely in the off season lifting program.
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Maybe our new sports medicine facilities will allow us to work on genetic engineering or something.
 
buffaholic said:
For the 17th time in a row, we've now hired the right S&C coach to fix our problem in the trenches.....

We live in the age of supplements. Forman's program was right out of Stanford. Somehow, he didn't bring the supplements with him. Stanford's O-Linemen were HUGE.

Put me down as not buying any of it.
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I get that you don't think Lewis has any magic fix, but I'm not clear on your meaning or implication connecting huge Stanford linemen, supplements, and putting you down as not buying it. Care to explain?
 
The Ogre said:
I get that you don't think Lewis has any magic fix, but I'm not clear on your meaning or implication connecting huge Stanford linemen, supplements, and putting you down as not buying it. Care to explain?
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Forman brought the Stanford program here we were told. Stanford linemen are huge and dominant. We were set to expect we had stolen the Stanford secret, all science based.
Forman moves on and now it's all roses because he had our linemen doing the wrong lifts!
The "new guy" has a better way per Carl (in our AD). It's Olympic Lifts!

I'm just wondering why the Stanford approach worked there and not here.
 
buffaholic said:
Forman brought the Stanford program here we were told. Stanford linemen are huge and dominant. We were set to expect we had stolen the Stanford secret, all science based.
Forman moves on and now it's all roses because he had our linemen doing the wrong lifts!
The "new guy" has a better way per Carl (in our AD). It's Olympic Lifts!

I'm just wondering why the Stanford approach worked there and not here.
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I'd be interested in knowing exactly what Stanford linemen were doing, if not Olympic lifts. Oly is the way to go to build the necessary power, imo.
 
Now to answer my own question, I think it had more to do with personality. I know that Kelley (who is clearly the leader in the clubhouse of the O-Line) had issues with Forman.

We also know that HCMM tried to hire McChesney last spring and perhaps some or all of our O-Line guys started following a McChesney like program? McChesney is the opposite of Forman. He's the great motivator. It's important. Seems like HCMM tried to bring that in, failed. Waited until after the season and went that direction.

Whatever program Isaac Miller was on during 2015 worked. Maybe no credit goes to Forman on that. Maybe he was following McChesney. But when he got here he could bench 225 once. Not anymore.
 
TSchekler said:
I'd be interested in knowing exactly what Stanford linemen were doing, if not Olympic lifts. Oly is the way to go to build the necessary power, imo.
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I totally agree. I find it hard to believe we weren't and they weren't...... Stanford has a magic potion they are feeding their linemen and Forman didn't know about it! Has to be!
 
buffaholic said:
Forman brought the Stanford program here we were told. Stanford linemen are huge and dominant. We were set to expect we had stolen the Stanford secret, all science based.
Forman moves on and now it's all roses because he had our linemen doing the wrong lifts!
The "new guy" has a better way per Carl (in our AD). It's Olympic Lifts!

I'm just wondering why the Stanford approach worked there and not here.
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I think the Olympic style lifts were more a complaint of the offensive lineman but apparently Forman just didn't do a good job connecting with the team. There is a reason mcchesney was rumored to be coming on last year at this time.
 
buffaholic said:
I totally agree. I find it hard to believe we weren't and they weren't...... Stanford has a magic potion they are feeding their linemen and Forman didn't know about it! Has to be!
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I think it would be strange for Carl to go out of his way to specifically mention the fact that they are now doing Oly lifting under Drew Wilson (or is it Lewis??), if they were, in fact, doing them under Forman as well.

I did attend a coaching clinic where Forman spoke on some of the things they were doing at CU and the thing I specifically remember was him talking about the French Contrast, which is utilized quite a bit for building power in football, but not necessarily all the Olympic lifts.

The French Contrast Method, developed by French sports scientist Gilles Cometti, combines two common and effective training methods, complex and contrast training.

Complexes: Complexes are proven to increase power. They involve a heavy, compound exercise (more than 80 percent of your one-rep max) like the Squat or Bench Press, followed by a plyometric exerciseinvolving similar muscles and movements, like Squat Jumps or Plyo Push-Ups.

Contrasts: Contrasts are one of the best methods to increase maximum strength. They involve a near maximum lift (80 to 97 percent of 1RM), followed by sub-max drop sets, starting at 70 percent of max and finishing at 50 percent of max.

Both complex and contrast training are meant to take advantage of the PAP effect (learn more about PAP), which teaches muscles to produce maximum force in as little time as possible. By using both of these methods, you deliver a much higher stress load to yourself, thus maximizing explosive power.


The key difference between the French Contrast Method and complex or contrast training is that it uses a four-exercise protocol compared to two. The extra powerful moves further challenge muscles, forcing them to make faster power improvements. Also, you will notice that the contrast exercises vary from the standard contrast method. Since the contrast follows a complex, you must take fatigue into account. Although the percent of max is different, the underlying effect on the body is the same as a traditional contrast.
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I think it's interesting that Carl is commenting at all.... I like what I read, appreciate the directness, loved the comment about Isaac's bubble. I am just not buying that's the missing ingredient.... Olympic lifts.

Beats reading about DiStephano at this time of year!
 
I think Olympic lifts are huge when it comes to offensive lineman and the fact that Jerome Irwin was only 290 pounds going into the season last year is not good. I'm not saying that Olympic lifts are everything but they can't be ignored like Forman was doing.
 
onealcd said:
I think Olympic lifts are huge when it comes to offensive lineman and the fact that Jerome Irwin was only 290 pounds going into the season last year is not good. I'm not saying that Olympic lifts are everything but they can't be ignored like Forman was doing.
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I think everyone agrees and is doubting that Olympic Lifts were actually ignored.
 
buffaholic said:
I think everyone agrees and is doubting that Olympic Lifts were actually ignored.
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I don't think Oly lifts were ignored altogether, but they aren't supposed to be "complimentary" exercises. If they aren't used as the foundation of your entire Strength program, they aren't going to have the desired effects.
 
buffaholic said:
Forman brought the Stanford program here we were told. Stanford linemen are huge and dominant. We were set to expect we had stolen the Stanford secret, all science based.
Forman moves on and now it's all roses because he had our linemen doing the wrong lifts!
The "new guy" has a better way per Carl (in our AD). It's Olympic Lifts!

I'm just wondering why the Stanford approach worked there and not here.
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Stanford recruits studs on the OL, we recruit projects.
 
TSchekler said:
I think it would be strange for Carl to go out of his way to specifically mention the fact that they are now doing Oly lifting under Drew Wilson (or is it Lewis??), if they were, in fact, doing them under Forman as well.

I did attend a coaching clinic where Forman spoke on some of the things they were doing at CU and the thing I specifically remember was him talking about the French Contrast, which is utilized quite a bit for building power in football, but not necessarily all the Olympic lifts.
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We always hear about how awful the previous S&C guy was, and how the new guy will turn every kid into a monster. I won't buy any of the new guy S&C BS until I see bigger, stronger kids that push around the kids opposite them.
 
TSchekler said:
I don't think Oly lifts were ignored altogether, but they aren't supposed to be "complimentary" exercises. If they aren't used as the foundation of your entire Strength program, they aren't going to have the desired effects.
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If lineman can double up workouts then something is seriously wrong. seems like there is a reason things went down with Forman the way they did after the season, we have never seen that side of mac. When has he ever fired someone that was doing a good job? If anything he holds on to people that do a ****ty one.
 
TSchekler said:
I think it would be strange for Carl to go out of his way to specifically mention the fact that they are now doing Oly lifting under Drew Wilson (or is it Lewis??), if they were, in fact, doing them under Forman as well.

I did attend a coaching clinic where Forman spoke on some of the things they were doing at CU and the thing I specifically remember was him talking about the French Mistake, which is utilized quite a bit for building power in football, but not necessarily all the Olympic lifts.
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CUFan said:
We always hear about how awful the previous S&C guy was, and how the new guy will turn every kid into a monster. I won't buy any of the new guy S&C BS until I see bigger, stronger kids that push around the kids opposite them.
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I don't think anyone can assume Wilson will get better results but there were definitely signs before Forman left that he was not doing a good job. From trying to bring in mcchesney to the awkward interview with Adam last spring to getting flat out fired right after last season which is out of character for coach Mac. I understand the hesitation to accept the new guy but that doesn't mean questioning the old guy isn't the most logical approach.
 
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