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The Pac-12 Is Increasingly A Have-Not

InTheBuff

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read Wilner's article and tell me otherwise ...

www.mercurynews.com

Mel Tucker leaves Colorado in the dust: What it says about the state of the Pac-12

Stunning and not-so-stunning news out of Boulder in the dead of night: Mel Tucker reportedly is leaving Colorado for Michigan State. After one season. One 5-7 season. Our reaction … *** Tucke…
www.mercurynews.com www.mercurynews.com

Still no DirecTv deal .....Big 10 teams making $22 millon MORE per year than PAC12 teams.... this is just scratching the surface.

I know we all hate Texas but I seriously don't see any other way to bring the PAC 12 to relivance and increase tv revenue.

Bring in Texas, OU and two other schools and be the TRENDSETTER with the first 16 team conference and maybe things can get turned around.
 
Feldman amplifies rebuke.

“The pac-12 may look down on the mountain west or the wac, but that's how these other conferences look down at the pac-12"

Feldman.
 
hawg1 said:
Feldman amplifies rebuke.

“The pac-12 may look down on the mountain west or the wac, but that's how these other conferences look down at the pac-12"

Feldman.
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This has been discussed ad naseum here, and so many people downplayed the "little brother" role the Pac 12 plays relative to the other conferences (primarily BIG and SEC). It's easy not to realize the reality of the situation until it happens to your school.
 
2019 Bowl Records

SEC Bowl Record: 8-2
Mountain West Bowl Record: 4-3
Pac-12 Bowl Record: 4-3
Big Ten Bowl Record: 4-5
ACC Bowl Record: 4-7
Big 12 Bowl Record: 1-5
 
I don't see how this is sustainable as a conference. Oregon is a premium team within the Pac 12 and in college football over the past 15 years (I hate saying that), they lost their coach to FSU who rarely fills their stadium each Saturday.

WSU/Leach to low end SEC school MSU.

CU/Tucker to a school that protects pedo's & rampant lying/cheating within their programs because they have a $135M athletic budget to our $98M budget. That budget is also in the red this year, $3M over so we really couldn't institutionally provide anymore money to Tucker even if we wanted to.

OSU, WSU, UCLA, Cal all under water in debt trying to prop up their football/athletic programs to keep them relevant.

In lieu of all of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Big 10 or other conferences seeking national exposure give CU a call to join their conference. It's not the way I'd prefer it but being a stepping stone program, also-ran, butt end of a joke to MSU is sickening for life long fans.

I'm starting to hate college athletics. It feels more and more like the MLB. Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers can spend all the money they want to compete while Tampa, KC, Milwaukee, Cincy and small market teams get stepped on and have players plucked from them year after year. What a hopeless position to be in. At least in MLB, you're guaranteed to get a draft pick and talented players. There is no such hope in recruiting when people consider you a door mat. Losing Tucker right here will definitely be weaponized against us in recruiting, just like McIntyres exit was, Embree, Hawkins, etc.

Even when things start looking up, we're still a joke. I won't ever make my kids root for CU. As a guy who grew up loving the state, Broncos, CU during the 80's / 90's, it's just too painful to force them to root for this.
 
The faint whispers of USC going independent after the current grant of media rights expires is not good either.
 
As much as the midwest sucks donkey balls, I'm pretty close to endorsing an all-out effort to join the Big-10.

1. $22 million more - PER YEAR
2. $22 million more - PER YEAR
3. $22 million more - PER YEAR
4. $22 million more - PER YEAR
5. $22 million more - PER YEAR
6. $22 million more - PER YEAR
7. $22 million more - PER YEAR
8. $22 million more - PER YEAR
9. Get a serious rivalry game back.
10. Would play within driving distance of my house every few years.

Hell, about 15% of the country already thinks Colorado is in the midwest, so ****-it, I'm willing to agree with them for an additional $22 million per year.
 
skibum said:
As much as the midwest sucks donkey balls, I'm pretty close to endorsing an all-out effort to join the Big-10.

1. $22 million more - PER YEAR
2. $22 million more - PER YEAR
3. $22 million more - PER YEAR
4. $22 million more - PER YEAR
5. $22 million more - PER YEAR
6. $22 million more - PER YEAR
7. $22 million more - PER YEAR
8. $22 million more - PER YEAR
9. Get a serious rivalry game back.
10. Would play within driving distance of my house every few years.

Hell, about 15% of the country already thinks Colorado is in the midwest, so ****-it, I'm willing to agree with them for an additional $22 million per year.
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Is there any indication the Big Ten is looking at CU as a possible expansion candidate?
 
Jens1893 said:
Is there any indication the Big Ten is looking at CU as a possible expansion candidate?
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Not that I'm aware of (although there have been rumors at various points over the past 30 years - none current though).

I don't care - I want in.

The Pac-12 is losing the money race, and every outside indication is that it will continue to lose the money race.

The past 48 hours should have proven beyond any doubt that the money race is a critical part of modern success in college athletics.
 
skibum said:
Not that I'm aware of (although there have been rumors at various points over the past 30 years - none current though).

I don't care - I want in.

The Pac-12 is losing the money race, and every outside indication is that it will continue to lose the money race.

The past 48 hours should have proven beyond any doubt that the money race is a critical part of modern success in college athletics.
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You're probably the last one you have to tell that to. I've seen the same happen in European football over the last 10-15 years where the gap has widened to a point where some domestic leagues have become completely uncompetitive due (1) to the money some teams make from international competitions or (2) where TV contracts elevated some/one league(s) to a financial status where they can basically bully all but a selected few (see 1) clubs into selling their players or coaches. And both things can be more or less directly applied to college football with the college football playoff (1), particularly in regards to the exposure teams who regularly get there get and how they can use that in recruiting and the TV contracts the SEC and B1G have and how much more spending power that gives them compared to teams not in those conferences.
 
Jens1893 said:
You're probably the last one you have to tell that to. I've seen the same happen in European football over the last 10-15 years where the gap has widened to a point where some domestic leagues have become completely uncompetitive due (1) to the money some teams make from international competitions or (2) where TV contracts elevated some/one league(s) to a financial status where they can basically bully all but a selected few (see 1) clubs into selling their players or coaches. And both things can be more or less directly applied to college football with the college football playoff (1), particularly in regards to the exposure teams who regularly get there get and how they can use that in recruiting and the TV contracts the SEC and B1G have and how much more spending power that gives them compared to teams not in those conferences.
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Wait, you're telling me that there are other teams in the Bundesliga and La Liga besides Bayern, Real Madrid and Barcelona?
 
skibum said:
24 pages of it right here:

Sir Larry Scott.. (P12 considering buying out Larry Scott)

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2018/11/pac-12-larry-scott-leftout-part1.html#incart_river_index
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That's just one thread. There are others.
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Exactly my point. We have known this issue for a few years, yet some how thought we were immune or wouldn't be a big deal.

It really comes down to CU finding a mega donor like Phil Knight, or finding a new conference. If not, this is going to be the norm and all pac 12 Schools will be relegated.
 
skibum said:
So I liked this, then unliked it.

This, I agree with wholeheartedly:


Yeah, me too.

This part, what the **** are you thinking?



No way, no how, kill that idea with fire.
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which part? It's kinda looking desperate, so I'm throwing out wild ideas. Joining the B1G is obviously the best choice.
 
We were all wrong about the PAC 12. There needs to be a different path forward whether it is a combo of the Big12/Pac-12 or head for the Big1G. Others?
 
Darth Snow said:
which part? It's kinda looking desperate, so I'm throwing out wild ideas. Joining the B1G is obviously the best choice.
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The B12-P12 mashup.

I could see a world in which that was a good idea.

We do not live that world.

Best option for CU at this point is the B1G.

In a very distant 2nd is a new president for the P12.

After that - throw in the towel on big-time football; go FCS and dominate (I'm sort of serious on this - I don't see a point of throwing resources at trying to be a great or even middling G5, and I sure as hell don't want to become a western P5 version of Vanderbilt).
 
skibum said:
The B12-P12 mashup.

I could see a world in which that was a good idea.

We do not live that world.

Best option for CU at this point is the B1G.

In a very distant 2nd is a new president for the P12.

After that - throw in the towel on big-time football; go FCS and dominate (I'm sort of serious on this - I don't see a point of throwing resources at trying to be a great or even middling G5, and I sure as hell don't want to become a western P5 version of Vanderbilt).
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1. Fire Larry.
2. Hire someone who doesn't suck.
3. Make an offer to UT + whichever texas school they like the most + Oklahoma schools. Even if it's not fair at first. Pay them.
4. Watch baylor burn.
5. Profit!
 
patebuff said:
Exactly my point. We have known this issue for a few years, yet some how thought we were immune or wouldn't be a big deal.
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I was thinking about this, and I guess I knew that this would happen. We would have a successful coach, and a team from the SEC or the B1G would come in and offer him more money than was in our budget. I was prepared for that.

This didn't feel like that - it didn't feel like we just got outbid.

This, well it just felt brazen.

"You have something we want, and we're going to take it from you because we have more money and we can."

And it wasn't even a blue blood. It wasn't Ohio State, or Alabama, or even Michigan. It was ****ing michigan state who pulled that ****.

That's the wake up call.

Get outbid and most (maybe even me) just shrug our shoulders and try again, but this, this needs a different level of reaction.
 
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InTheBuff said:
read Wilner's article and tell me otherwise ...

www.mercurynews.com

Mel Tucker leaves Colorado in the dust: What it says about the state of the Pac-12

Stunning and not-so-stunning news out of Boulder in the dead of night: Mel Tucker reportedly is leaving Colorado for Michigan State. After one season. One 5-7 season. Our reaction … *** Tucke…
www.mercurynews.com www.mercurynews.com

Still no DirecTv deal .....Big 10 teams making $22 millon MORE per year than PAC12 teams.... this is just scratching the surface.

I know we all hate Texas but I seriously don't see any other way to bring the PAC 12 to relivance and increase tv revenue.

Bring in Texas, OU and two other schools and be the TRENDSETTER with the first 16 team conference and maybe things can get turned around.
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How's that old BigXII we coulda stayed in doing? How's there conference network? You know, the Longhorn Network.

Just remember that the Big10 and SEC got to tear up redo their deals mid contract by expanding membership. As we've discussed ad nauseum there are not a lot of great choices in our footprint for us to add. I agree that making another pass at Texas, OU, et al might be a good idea now that some time has gone by. Im sure Texas will try to ask, again, that the Conf HQ be moved to Austin and that they can keep their LHN and two other Texas Schools also get in (cause those are like extra home games for them).

It's fun to pick on the P12Ns and Scott. He's an easy target.

I can see Kennedy being all for joining the B10 so that he dip us in that font of conservative midwestern family values and ****ty gray weather.
 
InTheBuff said:
read Wilner's article and tell me otherwise ...

www.mercurynews.com

Mel Tucker leaves Colorado in the dust: What it says about the state of the Pac-12

Stunning and not-so-stunning news out of Boulder in the dead of night: Mel Tucker reportedly is leaving Colorado for Michigan State. After one season. One 5-7 season. Our reaction … *** Tucke…
www.mercurynews.com www.mercurynews.com

Still no DirecTv deal .....Big 10 teams making $22 millon MORE per year than PAC12 teams.... this is just scratching the surface.

I know we all hate Texas but I seriously don't see any other way to bring the PAC 12 to relivance and increase tv revenue.

Bring in Texas, OU and two other schools and be the TRENDSETTER with the first 16 team conference and maybe things can get turned around.
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Hard to argue. I don’t think I processed the depth of the problem until this morning.

Take it a step further. Bring on the Texas schools, embrace the California law and start payin g the players. Amateur sports is over Let’s not play catch up with SEC and Big10. Wipe him out At least it will be transparent. Kids will get degrees and Income.
 
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