It seems there was more at play than just money. Something went south somewhereI was thinking about this, and I guess I knew that this would happen. We would have a successful coach, and a team from the SEC or the B1G would come in and offer him more money than was in our budget. I was prepared for that.
This didn't feel like that - it didn't feel like we just got outbid.
This, well it just felt brazen.
"You have something we want, and we're going to take it from you because we have more money and we can."
And it wasn't even a blue blood. It wasn't Ohio State, or Alabama, or even Michigan. It was ****ing michigan state who pulled that ****.
That's the wake up call.
Getting outbid and most (maybe even me) just shrug our shoulders and try again, but this, this needs a different level of reaction.
I think MSU had some personal connections they could use to get in front of him, but I really think the rest was all money.It seems there was more at play than just money. Something went south somewhere
I hope so. Larry Scott has been given way, way too much of a pass by his bosses.You can bet that woke the Pac-12 up too.
Allbuffs allows more than 1 thread per topic? Who knew?24 pages of it right here:
Sir Larry Scott.. (P12 considering buying out Larry Scott)
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That's just one thread. There are others.
I hope this article is eye-opening for anyone who had their head buried in the sand about the "Conference of Champions". As the article laid out, these annual monetary differences compound over the years which adds up to a difference of $139 over the next 5 years. That's stunning. If the Pac12 is going to expand the only options which would add value are Texas and OU, like it or not. Otherwise let's hope the B1G comes calling if they want to go to 16 schools and let the west coast schools go have all the water polo and gymnastics championships they want.
Another eye-opener is that MT is now making more than any coach in the Pac12. And that's at Michigan ****ing State, not Michigan or OSU. (aside from Helton or Shaw whose salaries are unknown):
Baylor isn't getting into the conference. And two road games a year against UT, OU, OSU and whoever the fourth team is wouldn't be bad at all.What do you do if Texas says no again?
Consider what they'd be giving up;
I could see maybe getting Oklahoma. But I doubt we get UT because they give up too much. OU has a lot of incentive from a recruiting standpoint to stay in the BigXII.
- ESPN and University of Texas Sign $300 Million Deal To Create Longhorn Network. According to several reports this morning, the much rumored broadcast deal between the University of Texas and ESPN has been finalized to the tune of $300 million over 20 years (2011 thru 2031)
- Texas plays roughly 2/3 of its schedule in the state of Texas dominating TV coverage in the state and providing driving distance easy fan base access.
- They charter a bus more than they charter a plane playing in the BigXII.
- They might not even have to stay in a hotel for some games since its a day drive.
And Colorado would likely end up grouped in a pod with Utah, and some combination of Texas, OU, OSU, TT, or Baylor. Yuck.
Baylor isn't getting into the conference. And two road games a year against UT, OU, OSU and whoever the fourth team is wouldn't be bad at all.
What do you do if Texas says no again?
Consider what they'd be giving up;
I could see maybe getting Oklahoma. But I doubt we get UT because they give up too much. OU has a lot of incentive from a recruiting standpoint to stay in the BigXII.
- ESPN and University of Texas Sign $300 Million Deal To Create Longhorn Network. According to several reports this morning, the much rumored broadcast deal between the University of Texas and ESPN has been finalized to the tune of $300 million over 20 years (2011 thru 2031)
- Texas plays roughly 2/3 of its schedule in the state of Texas dominating TV coverage in the state and providing driving distance easy fan base access.
- They charter a bus more than they charter a plane playing in the BigXII.
- They might not even have to stay in a hotel for some games since its a day drive.
And Colorado would likely end up grouped in a pod with Utah, and some combination of Texas, OU, OSU, TT, or Baylor. Yuck.
If the PAC took 4 Big XII teams to go to 16, then we'd likely be in a pod with Utah, ASU, and UA.What do you do if Texas says no again?
Consider what they'd be giving up;
I could see maybe getting Oklahoma. But I doubt we get UT because they give up too much. OU has a lot of incentive from a recruiting standpoint to stay in the BigXII.
- ESPN and University of Texas Sign $300 Million Deal To Create Longhorn Network. According to several reports this morning, the much rumored broadcast deal between the University of Texas and ESPN has been finalized to the tune of $300 million over 20 years (2011 thru 2031)
- Texas plays roughly 2/3 of its schedule in the state of Texas dominating TV coverage in the state and providing driving distance easy fan base access.
- They charter a bus more than they charter a plane playing in the BigXII.
- They might not even have to stay in a hotel for some games since its a day drive.
And Colorado would likely end up grouped in a pod with Utah, and some combination of Texas, OU, OSU, TT, or Baylor. Yuck.
Valid points.**** it. Try to get to the B1G.
California is a nice place to visit, yes, but the same qualities of warm beaches and tons of amenities leads to an apathetic fan base. Californians largely do not give a **** about college football. The steel grey skies and boring lifestyle of the Midwest create rabid fans that have made the B1G a legitimate rival to the SEC. Have to drive to Lincoln or Iowa City for games? Fine. The atmosphere is lightyears better and if I wanted a true vacation I'd go on my own accord. So what if the academics are sub-par? Michigan, Northwestern etc have no issues and the money would open way more doors than tangentially being associated with Stanford and Cal or whatever.
Go to the B1G for the money. Go to the B1G for a much better college football experience. Go to the B1G to have a real ****ing rival. Go so that we don't have to wait until 8:30pm for kickoff. Go for whatever reason but for the love of everything try to get out of a supercharged Mountain West conference that clearly doesn't give a **** and reeks with ineptitude.
It's not like this is in the cards but if the opportunity to leave to the B1G presents itself then by all means don't hesitate. Sick of having more fun watching SEC and B1G games on Saturdays than anything the PAC has to offer.
Except they're probably not. Granted, they have Nebraska, but the rest of the conference, top-to-bottom are AAU members. The Pac-12 has some high fliers, sure, but there are some serious dregs at the bottom. There's exactly one dreg in the B1G.So what if the academics are sub-par?
Meaningless.2019 Bowl Records
SEC Bowl Record: 8-2
Mountain West Bowl Record: 4-3
Pac-12 Bowl Record: 4-3
Big Ten Bowl Record: 4-5
ACC Bowl Record: 4-7
Big 12 Bowl Record: 1-5
There is no way that OU should have been in the playoff. My guess is that the BIG 12 won't sniff it again for some time.Meaningless.
Oregon barely beat Wisconsin in the Rose, a Wisconsin team that was there because the real B1G champ was busy in the playoff. The rest of the games are nice but are reward trips.
The ACC as a conference sucks but they got a team in the championship game.
Big 12 has gotten blown out multiple times but they are in the playoff.
The bottom of the PAC12 is much better than the bottom of most if not all of those conferences. We don't have a Rutgers or a Kansas or etc.
We also don't have a team on the top that demands respect nationally like Clemson does for the ACC or Oklahoma for the B12.
This is the catch -22Except they're probably not. Granted, they have ****braska, but the rest of the conference, top-to-bottom are AAU members. The Pac-12 has some high fliers, sure, but there are some serious dregs at the bottom. There's exactly one dreg in the B1G.
My only worry is that the conference seems to foster environments that allow child molesters and sexual predators to not only fester, but thrive.
Really? I'd rather keep as much of the PAC as is possible. If we add on Texas, Oklahoma, and two more to make a PAC 16 that's got a viable TV contract, that's enough for me. Colorado is a western school, and the majority of our alumni live in western cities, thus I enjoy staying with other western schools as much as possible.I would much rather CU attempt to join the BIG than go through the cluster**** of figuring out how the Pac/Big 12 realignment would work.
If there is a clear plan, massive money like BIG and SEC and equal revenue sharing with Texas then sure. Anything less and I’ll take a piece of the BIG pieReally? I'd rather keep as much of the PAC as is possible. If we add on Texas, Oklahoma, and two more to make a PAC 16 that's got a viable TV contract, that's enough for me. Colorado is a western school, and the majority of our alumni live in western cities, thus I enjoy staying with other western schools as much as possible.
Really? I'd rather keep as much of the PAC as is possible. If we add on Texas, Oklahoma, and two more to make a PAC 16 that's got a viable TV contract, that's enough for me. Colorado is a western school, and the majority of our alumni live in western cities, thus I enjoy staying with other western schools as much as possible.
I didn't comment on how likely such a scenario was. I said if it happened, that'd be enough for me.I do not see Texas playing ball with powers within the Pac and not wanting to have unequal revenue sharing. There is no reason for Texas to leave the Big XII where they pretty much run things.