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Jayne Cobb

Jayne Cobb

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According to this story, Joe Paterno was told about Jerry Sandusky molesting kids in 1976! Nineteen freaking seventy six!

The information comes from a line in a court order in a lawsuit over insurance coverage. I gather that if Penn State knew about this stuff and did not disclose potential claims to their insurance carrier, they were not insured:

The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."

The order also cites separate references in 1987 and 1988 in which unnamed assistant coaches witnessed inappropriate contact between Sandusky and unidentified children, and a 1988 case that was supposedly referred to Penn State's athletic director at the time.​
And they did diddly squat. Beyond belief vile.
 
I didn't think that the actions of PSU and Joe Pa could be even worse. Are we really looking at a 35-year coverup with the shower incident being the one where they finally couldn't make things go away quietly?
 
If this is true I hope that the insurance company can establish it in court and force Pedo State to pay back a huge block of the money they paid out.

I want PSU to have to pay enough out of their own pockets that other schools and institutions will think more than twice before trying to stuff this kind of thing under the rug.
 
I'm against capital punishment, but I'd be okay with Melisandre bringing Joe Pa back for a public burning at the stake.
 
Joe Pa always struck me as a two-faced phony even in back in the 70s and it continues to have an unending tail to that extent... Megalomania gone unchecked has unimaginable consequences....
 
TSchekler said:
What was the punishment that was ultimately handed down to PSU when all this came to light a few years back? Some scholarship losses and heavy fines?
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I don't remember exactly. I just remember it seeming very light for decades of burying these atrocities in the name of football and a complete lack of control/monitoring (and ethics). I even think I remember many of the NCAA sanctions being repealed for some reason or another. Maybe someone else here will remember.
 
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CUFan said:
I don't remember exactly. I just remember it seeming very light for decades of burying these atrocities in the name of football and complete lack of control/monitoring. I even think I remember many of the NCAA sanctions being repealed for some reason or another. Maybe someone else here will remember.
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Internet search FTW! What a ****ing joke!

On July 23, 2012, Emmert announced the following sanctions against Penn State:[215]

  • Five years probation.
  • A four-year postseason ban.
  • Vacating of all wins from 1998 to 2011–112 wins in all. This had the effect of stripping the Nittany Lions of their shared Big Ten titles in 2005 and 2008. It also removed 111 wins from Paterno's record, dropping him from first to 12th on the NCAA's all-time wins list.
  • A $60 million fine, the proceeds of which were to go toward an endowment for preventing child abuse. According to the NCAA, this was the equivalent of a typical year's gross revenue from the football program.
  • Loss of a total of 40 initial scholarships from 2013 to 2017. During the same period, Penn State is limited to 65 total scholarships—only two more than a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) school is allowed.
  • Penn State was required to adopt all recommendations for reform delineated in the Freeh report.
  • Penn State must enter into an "athletics integrity agreement" with the NCAA and Big Ten, appoint a university-wide athletic compliance officer and compliance council, and accept an NCAA-appointed athletic integrity monitor for the duration of its probation.
Sanctions rescinded[edit]
The NCAA rescinded much of the sanctions against Penn State. On September 24, 2013, the NCAA announced that Penn State's scholarships would be gradually restored until the total amount of scholarships reaches the normal 85 for the 2016-17 year, the first year after Penn State's postseason ban.[224][225] A year later, on September 8, 2014, the NCAA announced that Penn State would be eligible for the 2014 postseason and all scholarships restored in 2015.[226] Several months later, on January 16, 2015, the NCAA reinstated Joe Paterno and Tom Bradley's wins.[227]
 
TScheckler: I put a "like" on your post because I appreciate the research. Horrible to see that football was (and is) viewed as more important than child safety in the eyes of Penn State and the NCAA.
 
CUFan said:
TScheckler: I put a "like" on your post because I appreciate the research. Horrible to see that football was (and is) viewed as more important than child safety in the eyes of Penn State and the NCAA.
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Agreed. So at the end of the day, the PSU AD lost one year's worth of football only revenue, the 4 year postseason ban was actually only a 2 year ban, all scholarships were restored a year early, and Paterno's wins were fully restored. There have been comparable, or even far worse sanctions (SMU), for recruiting violations. SMFH.
 
TSchekler said:
Agreed. So at the end of the day, the PSU AD lost one year's worth of football only revenue, the 4 year postseason ban was actually only a 2 year ban, all scholarships were restored a year early, and Paterno's wins were fully restored. There have been comparable, or even far worse sanctions (SMU), for recruiting violations. SMFH.
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devils advocate:

The situation at PSU was not specifically football related or recruiting related. It was a criminal matter. Punishing the people involved with the situation did and should happen. Punishing the football team itself is debatable. Players had nothing to do with it. Current coaches had nothing to do with it. Current AD staff had nothing to do it with it. The people involved are in jail or gone.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
devils advocate:

The situation at PSU was not specifically football related or recruiting related. It was a criminal matter. Punishing the people involved with the situation did and should happen. Punishing the football team itself is debatable. Players had nothing to do with it. Current coaches had nothing to do with it. Current AD staff had nothing to do it with it. The people involved are in jail or gone.
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It kind of was though....he used the university and football camps in particular to prey on those boys.....and it was up to everyone involved with those camps and other football related events to prevent that kind of perversion from happening
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
devils advocate:

The situation at PSU was not specifically football related or recruiting related. It was a criminal matter. Punishing the people involved with the situation did and should happen. Punishing the football team itself is debatable. Players had nothing to do with it. Current coaches had nothing to do with it. Current AD staff had nothing to do it with it. The people involved are in jail or gone.
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Yet the institution still benefits from all of it. Coaches and players can choose to go elsewhere.
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
Yet the institution still benefits from all of it. Coaches and players can choose to go elsewhere.
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Agree and disagree.

Coaches can go where they please, contracts matter very little anymore.

For players the decision is a bit more complicated and not nearly as easy to do.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Agree and disagree.

Coaches can go where they please, contracts matter very little anymore.

For players the decision is a bit more complicated and not nearly as easy to do.
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They may not have made the initial choice had the ncaa actually did something correctly.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
devils advocate:

The situation at PSU was not specifically football related or recruiting related. It was a criminal matter. Punishing the people involved with the situation did and should happen. Punishing the football team itself is debatable. Players had nothing to do with it. Current coaches had nothing to do with it. Current AD staff had nothing to do it with it. The people involved are in jail or gone.
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I can accept some of that, I guess, but that doesn't explain why Paterno's wins were restored.

Also...
As a result of sanctions issued by both USC and the NCAA, the Trojan athletic program received some of the harshest penalties ever meted out to a Division 1 program. The football team was forced to vacate the final two wins of its 2004 national championship season, as well as all of its wins in 2005. It was also banned from bowl games in both 2010 and 2011 and was docked 30 scholarships over three years. The basketball team gave up all of its wins from the 2007-08 season and sat out postseason play in 2010. The NCAA accepted USC's earlier elimination of its wins between November 2006 and May 2009 and did not sanction the team further.[1]

I know these were football related/recruiting violations but USC had to vacate a National Championship, Heisman Trophy, a year's worth of wins, a 2 year postseason ban and 30 scholarships over three years (more than PSU was ultimately docked). I know they are different situations, but the track record of inconsistency with the NCAA dealing with these issues is ridiculous.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Agree and disagree.

Coaches can go where they please, contracts matter very little anymore.

For players the decision is a bit more complicated and not nearly as easy to do.
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When the sanctions hit, every player on the PSU roster was granted immediate eligibility to transfer wherever they wanted to. In these special circumstances, the players can leave just as easily as the coaches can.
 
TSchekler said:
What was the punishment that was ultimately handed down to PSU when all this came to light a few years back? Some scholarship losses and heavy fines?
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There were scholarship losses, players could transfer out without penalty, and a post-season ban. Also some hefty fines.

At the end of the day, a settlement on the penalty was reached that wasn't as much as the public wanted. Mostly because it was highly questionable whether any of what happened at PSU had anything to do with NCAA member by-laws governing a football program and whether the NCAA had any jurisdiction or grounds to issue any penalties.
 
TSchekler said:
When the sanctions hit, every player on the PSU roster was granted immediate eligibility to transfer wherever they wanted to. In these special circumstances, the players can leave just as easily as the coaches can.
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Because they could transfer, doesn't mean they had places to go. That is my point.
 
Buffnik said:
There were scholarship losses, players could transfer out without penalty, and a post-season ban. Also some hefty fines.

At the end of the day, a settlement on the penalty was reached that wasn't as much as the public wanted. Mostly because it was highly questionable whether any of what happened at PSU had anything to do with NCAA member by-laws governing a football program and whether the NCAA had any jurisdiction or grounds to issue any penalties.
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So it took 2 years after the fact for them to come to the conclusion that the NCAA doesn't have the jurisdiction to hand out the penalties they did?
 
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