My bad I guess I should've put that in the Waco thread. Feel free to move it.
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We now take you (one again) to State College, Pennsylvania.
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My opinion is that the NCAA should have never even touched the Sandusky case. That should have been handled exclusively by the Penn. Atty. Gen. and the district attorney. If there was any kind of cover-up involving the administration, it should have been handled as a criminal manner. The NCAA governs conduct of athletes, coaches, and institutions as related to fairness of competition. The Sandusky case goes beyond what the NCAA is designed and capable of handling. What happened did not directly affect any student athlete or the fairness of competition. It did directly involve the institution and coaching staff, but the crimes were not related to their duties as coaches as covered by NCAA rules.
The Baylor case is also a bit of a stretch, but because it involves current student athletes, there is a lot more impact on competition. Colluding with local law enforcement to cover up crimes by athletes in order to maintain their competition eligibility is a bit more under the NCAA umbrella. Still the Baylor case should be investigated by the State of Texas as a criminal matter. Could also be investigated by the Feds as a Title IX case.
The NCAA does more harm to itself when it fails to be consistent in its enforcement and when it seeks to go beyond the scope of what it was intended for. The actions they took in the PSU case provide evidence for future lawsuits that the NCAA does not follow its own guidelines and selectively punishes schools based on public opinion and perception and not based on any evidence of violations of its by-laws.
The Baylor case is also a bit of a stretch, but because it involves current student athletes, there is a lot more impact on competition. Colluding with local law enforcement to cover up crimes by athletes in order to maintain their competition eligibility is a bit more under the NCAA umbrella. Still the Baylor case should be investigated by the State of Texas as a criminal matter. Could also be investigated by the Feds as a Title IX case.
The NCAA does more harm to itself when it fails to be consistent in its enforcement and when it seeks to go beyond the scope of what it was intended for. The actions they took in the PSU case provide evidence for future lawsuits that the NCAA does not follow its own guidelines and selectively punishes schools based on public opinion and perception and not based on any evidence of violations of its by-laws.
Penn State/Baylor......Baylor/Penn State. Interchangeable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...1976-per-testimony-in-newly-unsealed-records/
Damn.
“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked.
“Specifically. Yes … I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted… I said, is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?”
Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.
Damn.
“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked.
“Specifically. Yes … I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted… I said, is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?”
Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.
L Buff
Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left
Why would you think elected Pennsylvania officials would be any better? look at how often the cops give passes to athletes after they are accused. the best has to be the picture of Big Ben R, after he was accused of sexual assault, doing a group pose with his arms around the "investigating" officers. We have a 2-tiered (at least) justice system. the rich and famous have one, the rest get the rest. How about Michael Jackson having a treasure trove of illegal kiddy porn and the cops ignoring it (and what he did at his ranch)?
The interesting thing about this is, if you bend justice to help those you like, it is that much easier to bend it in order to hurt those you don't. Is that part of why black people get screwed so often by law enforcement?
It wasn't his job to worry about one of his employees molesting children on company property?
There's really nothing to say to that. It stands on its own. No one with any sense will defend or support. I'm simply dumbfounded that anyone can be that single-minded that anything outside of it, no matter what that "it" might be, is a distraction he can't clutter his mind with.
The thing that keeps getting mixed here is that Paterno was an employee of a publicly funded educational institution. I don't know what the laws of Pennsylvania say about it but in many states that makes him a mandatory reporter.
Regardless of the law morally he had no choice but to report. Those of us in education have no higher responsibility than the safety of kids, and not just our students or our players but all kids. If I had reason to believe that someone at my school, at my church, at my grocery store, or anywhere else was abusing I am on the phone to the appropriate authorities. If it turns out I was wrong I apologize but I don't ever want to be wrong in not reporting.
The simple fact is that Paterno chose to place the public image of his football program above the safety of children. That is inexcusable. The fact is also that the administrators at Penn State when the issue came up instead of doing the right thing deferred to their football coach.
The NCAA is an organization made up of educational institutions. They state in their promotional materials and have publicly stated many times that they are about protecting the student-athlete. Again as an educational organization they should be about protecting any student who comes in contact with an intercollegiate athletic program and since Sandusky was actively and with their consent using his connections to Penn State football to promote his camps and charity and have contact with kids it became NCAA business.
If the NCAA doesn't want to make it their business then I am simply waiting for somebody in congress to use the issue as their personal issue and impose federal control over intercollegiate athletics in a way that is much more intrusive than Title IX has ever been.
Between Pedo State and Florida State and Miami and Baylor and others I'm not sure that this isn't what is going to eventually have to happen to protect the safety of persons on and around those campuses. I have two daughters who have college intentions, why should they face a higher than necessary risk of becoming victims just so an athletic program can win some games. I have a young and very trusting son. If he goes to a sports camp on a college campus why should I have to worry about the school facilitating something that could scar him for life?
This article makes it even clearer that there was widespread knowledge of what Sandusky was doing and that Penn State allowed it to keep happening. Disgusting and scary to think that they allowed winning football games to be more important.
Regardless of the law morally he had no choice but to report. Those of us in education have no higher responsibility than the safety of kids, and not just our students or our players but all kids. If I had reason to believe that someone at my school, at my church, at my grocery store, or anywhere else was abusing I am on the phone to the appropriate authorities. If it turns out I was wrong I apologize but I don't ever want to be wrong in not reporting.
The simple fact is that Paterno chose to place the public image of his football program above the safety of children. That is inexcusable. The fact is also that the administrators at Penn State when the issue came up instead of doing the right thing deferred to their football coach.
The NCAA is an organization made up of educational institutions. They state in their promotional materials and have publicly stated many times that they are about protecting the student-athlete. Again as an educational organization they should be about protecting any student who comes in contact with an intercollegiate athletic program and since Sandusky was actively and with their consent using his connections to Penn State football to promote his camps and charity and have contact with kids it became NCAA business.
If the NCAA doesn't want to make it their business then I am simply waiting for somebody in congress to use the issue as their personal issue and impose federal control over intercollegiate athletics in a way that is much more intrusive than Title IX has ever been.
Between Pedo State and Florida State and Miami and Baylor and others I'm not sure that this isn't what is going to eventually have to happen to protect the safety of persons on and around those campuses. I have two daughters who have college intentions, why should they face a higher than necessary risk of becoming victims just so an athletic program can win some games. I have a young and very trusting son. If he goes to a sports camp on a college campus why should I have to worry about the school facilitating something that could scar him for life?
This article makes it even clearer that there was widespread knowledge of what Sandusky was doing and that Penn State allowed it to keep happening. Disgusting and scary to think that they allowed winning football games to be more important.
L Buff
Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left
Well ... here's what happened when local law enforcement, including the DA at the time, were first confronted with public allegations of the abuse.
And then something really weird happened:
While I agree with Aero that the NCAA overstepped its jurisdiction in this matter, I would have no confidence in local authorities or the PA AG handling the case(s). Almost all had close ties to Pedo State, and could hardly be objective. This should have been a federal case to begin with (if the jurisdictional barriers could be traversed) ... or at the very least a special prosecutor with no ties to the university should have been appointed.
The Penn St. 200-letterman who are continuing to memorialize Paterno's legacy are lost souls.
Sometimes good people take cases like Sandusky's because it is a moral obligation. Other times, scum attracts scum. No surprise that this is one of those "Other" times.
I'd suggest they let it go.
I'm goimg to just look the other way.
Give me Husker fans all day every day over these loathsome miscreants.
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This one is hard to believe especially after the reports that came out from testimony this last year. He knew and looked the other way and was a scumbag sucking piece of ****. Cannot believe they would honor this piece of garbage.
Confession: I still cheer for them when they play Nebraska.
Yes, I go to a very dark place when it comes to the Nubs.
somebody
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I used to respect them, but never liked them. I still think they normally got a higher ranking than they were due.
Beano Cook started that mess.
I would love that. Of all the "not Rose Bowl" scenarios out there, this one is the best. I think we would dismantle those guys.
The Big 10 has weird bowl contracts that say 5 different teams have to be invited to your bowl game every 6 years (except, obviously, the Rose Bowl) inevitably leads to teams playing in games both above and below what their records would indicate.