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[GoBeers]

Classy Fitz jock sniffer names the anonymous accuser and gratuitously calls out Deion Snaders as what's wrong with college athletics as a comparison to how clean and virtuous he thinks Fitzgerald is.

 

[SerenityBuff]

Classy Fitz jock sniffer names the anonymous accuser and gratuitously calls out Deion Snaders as what's wrong with college athletics as a comparison to how clean and virtuous he thinks Fitzgerald is.

Coach Prime after reading this:

 

[Big Jim]

What was the hazing stuff; what were they doing?

Hiding socks, making the freshman recite Walt Whitman and allegedly a few other things.

 

[Daaah]

Hiding socks, making the freshman recite Walt Whitman and allegedly a few other things.

I'm assuming you're not serious. If someone could post a synopsis, I'd be appreciative.

 

[BuffBronco]

What was the hazing stuff; what were they doing?

Watching Gladiator movies

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I'm assuming you're not serious. If someone could post a synopsis, I'd be appreciative.

You want us to wipe your ass for you, too?Come on, man. It’s all in this thread that’s less than 2 pages long.

Former NU football player details hazing allegations

Content warning: This article contains mention of hazing, sexual assault and suicidal ideation. A former Northwestern University football player told The Daily some of the hazing conduct investigated by the university involved coerced sexual acts. A second player confirmed these details. The...

dailynorthwestern.com

 

[Daaah]

You want us to wipe your ass for you, too?Come on, man. It’s all in this thread that’s less than 2 pages long.

Former NU football player details hazing allegations

Content warning: This article contains mention of hazing, sexual assault and suicidal ideation. A former Northwestern University football player told The Daily some of the hazing conduct investigated by the university involved coerced sexual acts. A second player confirmed these details. The...

dailynorthwestern.com

Thanks for the actual link. To anybody else who is wondering it sounds like what happened was when a younger/new player messed up there was some signal given and they would be dry humped.

 

[BuffBronco]

The thing is, I can an 100% sure that "hazing" of some sort or another is going on all hundred of other colleges and high schools in all sorts of different sports, is not isolated at Northwestern

Been going on since day dot

A young BuffBronco was subjected to it at CCHS in the mid 90's under Coach Woolford, everybody knew about it and was just part of the "deal" of playing HS sports rightly or wrongly. "Boys being boys" and coaches just ignored it

No different to bullying and picking on the "non-cool kids" outside of sport

Shouldn't happen, but does and will probably will happen for ever as kids are cruel

 

[ahoelsken]

The thing is, I can an 100% sure that "hazing" of some sort or another is going on all hundred of other colleges and high schools in all sorts of different sports, is not isolated at Northwestern

Been going on since day dot

A young BuffBronco was subjected to it at CCHS in the mid 90's under Coach Woolford, everybody knew about it and was just part of the "deal" of playing HS sports rightly or wrongly. "Boys being boys" and coaches just ignored it

No different to bullying and picking on the "non-cool kids" outside of sport

Shouldn't happen, but does and will probably will happen for ever as kids are cruel

Oh it happens everywhere. There comes a point where all in good fun goes too far. I keep coming back to the example of Tim Tebow's "Friar Tuck" rookie haircut. 10 years ago......that was likely seen as all in good fun. Hell, the entire city thought it was funny at the time. Would that fly now? I doubt it.

How can bullying be stopped? As a teacher and with the refereeing I do, I feel like I've got a unique perspective on this. I can think of a basketball I refereed about a year and a half ago or so. Sophomore contest between Smoky Hill and Highlands Ranch. Boys. I stuck two Smoky Hill kids for profanity directed at me. One's father called me a chicken **** in the parking lot at HR. Memo to that dip**** and others like him-If you're afraid of holding your kids accountable when they **** up, do the world a favor and don't ****ing reproduce.

Two, I'm going to rant on the public school system. There is a strange fear of handing out any kind of punishment to a student in schools-and I don't get it. Case in point was something I saw last year-We had a kid at the school I was at who snuck into a bathroom and started taking pictures of other students doing their business-and then circulated these pictures. As far as I'm concerned, that's child pornography. I don't even think he got suspended. I'm seeing it this summer too-I have a group of 8 incoming 5th graders right now. One's autistic. He's a great kid-even though he tends to get a little too close to me at times (broke my ankle right before the 4th-was off all last week, and this kid ran into me on accident this morning). I've had other kids bully him a couple of times, and I've called home and made it crystal clear to these parents that I will not tolerate that kind of behavior in my classroom. One called my boss-and she flipped on me. That's why I took a job at a Catholic school this fall. Maybe it'll be different-I don't know.


Michael Schill is their president-and his handling of this is exactly what I'm talking about. Schill and their AD need to follow Fitzgerald and that staff out the door. Whether or not Fitzgerald knew about this is irrelevant. Whether or not the sexual stuff is true is irrelevant. The original whistleblower's intentions are irrelevant. Giving a college football coach a 2 week unpaid vacation during a pretty dead time of year in college football only to be like "Oops, I ****ed up-can I try that again?" is the epitome of the problem we have as a society in my view.

The whole point of a negative consequence is to get the behavior that brought it on to stop. We have got to stop being afraid to address negative behavior as a society.

 

[BuffWarHog]

The thing is, I can an 100% sure that "hazing" of some sort or another is going on all hundred of other colleges and high schools in all sorts of different sports, is not isolated at Northwestern

Been going on since day dot

A young BuffBronco was subjected to it at CCHS in the mid 90's under Coach Woolford, everybody knew about it and was just part of the "deal" of playing HS sports rightly or wrongly. "Boys being boys" and coaches just ignored it

No different to bullying and picking on the "non-cool kids" outside of sport

Shouldn't happen, but does and will probably will happen for ever as kids are cruel

[typos make sentences funny]

Man, I must either have lived an incredibly sheltered life, or been sooooo far from cool that I was never, nor never witnessed, hazing or bullying.

 

[Buffnik]

You want us to wipe your ass for you, too?Come on, man. It’s all in this thread that’s less than 2 pages long.

Former NU football player details hazing allegations

Content warning: This article contains mention of hazing, sexual assault and suicidal ideation. A former Northwestern University football player told The Daily some of the hazing conduct investigated by the university involved coerced sexual acts. A second player confirmed these details. The...

dailynorthwestern.com

There was also the Hispanic former player who had "Cinco de Mayo" shaved onto him and related how a coach was complaining about a mess, then singled him out as the person who would know best how to clean because he's certainly got family members who do it for a living.

 

[Burrito]

Thanks for the actual link. To anybody else who is wondering it sounds like what happened was when a younger/new player messed up there was some signal given and they would be dry humped.

I did that exact thing at Sackygate! I was also insecure about my authority there.

 

[Denver_sc]

Am I the only one that thinks that this is an INCREDIBLY bad look for Northwestern?

They had a supposedly independent investigation get all of these details, and concluded that a 2 week suspension was appropriate, and only after the details came out to the public did they fire him. What changed? they certainly had all of these details if they did a thorough investigation.

 

[Buffnik]

Am I the only one that thinks that this is an INCREDIBLY bad look for Northwestern?

They had a supposedly independent investigation get all of these details, and concluded that a 2 week suspension was appropriate, and only after the details came out to the public did they fire him. What changed? they certainly had all of these details if they did a thorough investigation.

Seems that maybe some folks waited until after the investigation concluded to come forward. I don't know why - maybe they wanted to get back at Northwestern and certain individuals rather than risk their testimony being sealed within an internal investigation by an institution which they believe failed them and they don't trust.

 

[Denver_sc]

Seems that maybe some folks waited until after the investigation concluded to come forward. I don't know why - maybe they wanted to get back at Northwestern and certain individuals rather than risk their testimony being sealed within an internal investigation by an institution which they believe failed them and they don't trust.

Hmm... I guess that's possible. I didn't read the situation that way- I thought that the anonymous whistleblower's testimony was the reason for the investigation, and after the investigation concluded he decided to go public with details that weren't released by the school.

Either way, I would say that if the scenario you lay out was true, then they didn't do a "comprehensive" investigation that included all the testimony from all parties. Either they were incompetent or malicious.

 

[cu3x]

I'm surprised no one here is commenting on the nature of the acts.

Macho, tough-guy upperclassman are repeatedly and vigorously simulating homosexual anal sex, with younger men.

I find their behavior almost unbelievable; and self-mocking to an extreme. In the world of sports, these guys are some of the biggest losers ever.

 

[Buffnik]

Hmm... I guess that's possible. I didn't read the situation that way- I thought that the anonymous whistleblower's testimony was the reason for the investigation, and after the investigation concluded he decided to go public with details that weren't released by the school.

Either way, I would say that if the scenario you lay out was true, then they didn't do a "comprehensive" investigation that included all the testimony from all parties. Either they were incompetent or malicious.

Probably limited the investigation to the specific anonymous allegation and were hoping to quickly put it to bed while taking an insignificant CYA action against Fitzgerald for something that didn't seem all that egregious when presented as a one-off.

 

[ahoelsken]

Am I the only one that thinks that this is an INCREDIBLY bad look for Northwestern?

They had a supposedly independent investigation get all of these details, and concluded that a 2 week suspension was appropriate, and only after the details came out to the public did they fire him. What changed? they certainly had all of these details if they did a thorough investigation.

I agree with this-Schill and Gragg (their president and AD respectively) need to follow Fitzgerald out the door.

 

[Highlander]

Hot off the press - potential replacements for NW

I laugh at the idea Campbell would leave ISU for NW. Yes, NW has more media money and facilities projects in the works, but that dude is either going to get a much better gig or avoid that academia slanted self suicide.

Who will replace Pat Fitzgerald? An NFL OC, Power 5 head coaches top Bruce Feldman's list

Would sitting head coaches like Mike Campbell and Dave Clawson be tempted to move to Evanston?

theathletic.com

 

[Buffnik]

Hot off the press - potential replacements for NW

I laugh at the idea Campbell would leave ISU for NW. Yes, NW has more media money and facilities projects in the works, but that dude is either going to get a much better gig or avoid that academia slanted self suicide.

Who will replace Pat Fitzgerald? An NFL OC, Power 5 head coaches top Bruce Feldman's list

Would sitting head coaches like Mike Campbell and Dave Clawson be tempted to move to Evanston?

theathletic.com

An extra $2M or more per year with the clock starting on new long-term job security when the place you're at isn't resulting in brass ring job offers? Yeah. He'd take the job.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Feels like a David Shaw kind of hire

 

[rosstr]

And that’s the end of Northwestern football. Good run. Peace out.

 

[hawg1]

Fired for cause. SIAP

 

[ahoelsken]

Hot off the press - potential replacements for NW

I laugh at the idea Campbell would leave ISU for NW. Yes, NW has more media money and facilities projects in the works, but that dude is either going to get a much better gig or avoid that academia slanted self suicide.

Who will replace Pat Fitzgerald? An NFL OC, Power 5 head coaches top Bruce Feldman's list

Would sitting head coaches like Mike Campbell and Dave Clawson be tempted to move to Evanston?

theathletic.com

Paul Chryst would be the only on that list who they'd have a shot at.

 

[ahoelsken]

Fired for cause. SIAP

He'll sue.

 

[CarolinaBuff]

Elko seems like a logical choice and Kafka as #2

 

[Buffnik]

This doesn't seem to make sense. And in other news, Fitzgerald's public release basically said he met and agreed to the suspension but was blindsided by the President's unilateral decision to terminate and he's got legal counsel responding.

 

[SeanMSan]

[typos make sentences funny]

Man, I must either have lived an incredibly sheltered life, or been sooooo far from cool that I was never, nor never witnessed, hazing or bullying.

I was depantsed once during winter workouts my freshman year. I had just transferred in from another school at the semester too. Nothing more after that, probably due to my older brother’s friends’ little brothers and their friends either putting a stop before it happens APB out, or just deciding I wasn’t cool enough because I wasn’t on the baseball team?

 

[leftybuff]

This doesn't seem to make sense. And in other news, Fitzgerald's public release basically said he met and agreed to the suspension but was blindsided by the President's unilateral decision to terminate and he's got legal counsel responding.

Mixed feelings. Yeah, you are the CEO for lack of a bettter way to say it, and the buck stops with you. OTOH, would anybody really know what all 110 guys are doing? GB got caught up the same way. PFitz will bank more cash off the settlement than I will ever earn, so it is kind of hard to feel bad for him. He will be back on the sideline shortly anyway.

NW FB is probably dead now.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

This doesn't seem to make sense. And in other news, Fitzgerald's public release basically said he met and agreed to the suspension but was blindsided by the President's unilateral decision to terminate and he's got legal counsel responding.

The essence of command: its your fault even when youre not present because you picked these people who were watching in your absence.