Most accounts say this stuff wasn’t really hidden. He knew.
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Let's be honest here... He was fired because of public perception and an institution with an elite academic reputation didn't want to go to the mat for their coach. Was there actually any evidence that Fitzgerald knew what was going on and failed to do anything about it? I suspect this is why he's going to sue and probably win.
hawg1
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Why is the 6 month investigation upon which Prez made initial suspension decision different?
How often did it happen and when did he find out? Did he take measures to stop it? He was fired for perception reasons once the details of what went on were released.
I agree with the person in charge being held accountable. However, other coaches on staff should also be held accountable - particularly if what they were doing to contribute to the hazing wasn't following a direct order from above.
I'm not sure why Elko would leave- I don't think his contract is public, but he was making over $2M per year at A&M so it has to be more than that. NW was paying Fitz ~$5.3M per year. NW may very well settle with Fitz and so they may not even be able to pay that. My guess is it's a minimal difference in money.
Elko's doesn't really have any ties or much experience in the region (save a year at ND), and I'd have a hard time seeing him jump this late in the offseason to a different school (especially to follow a really popular alumni coach, who also has arguably had the most success of any coach there since WW2 save Barnett). So, either he'll continue the trajectory at Duke and have a whole host of offers next offseason in addition to NW, or he won't have much success next year and NW won't want him.
Lends more credence to my previous opinion that NW admin is ****ing this up pretty badly.
consensus from my partners is that Dan Webb is the best attorney in Illinois. This should be interesting. Also have a friend in NW's GC's office and I've been oh-so-tempted to call him but can imagine its not the best time right now. 99.9% this results in a confidential settlement. NW is up s----'s creek without a paddle at this point.
This.
That's what is driving the "clown show" comments, IMO.
It's not that they made a bad decision and were forced to make a better one. It's that no one thought about the rest of the implications. Some, if not most, of the other coaches needed to be fired to.
I get that there's organizational challenges to doing that at this stage of the game, but there are a stack of "analysts" working on the coaching staffs of other schools that could be brought in within a couple weeks if you had an actual plan and worked it hard.
Meh. Big 10 money buys a sh*tload of paddles. Isn't MSU paying Midnight Mel upwards of 30 million?
The University of California could have built a larger endowment, but ultimately decided that $11.01 billion was a better fit for them.
Big Jim
WTF?
MM's contract is closer to $90mm and certainly not being paid by the University of Michigan endowment.
Apparently there were notations about this stuff on the team whiteboard
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
The decision to keep the staff is all about the timing of this news. I don't think you search for even an interim (like **** bailer did in 2016) who isn't corrected to your program because fall camp likely starts in two weeks. David Braun makes sense to at least me because he knows their kids, but has only been there six months. As unimportant as football may seem in the context of this, Northwestern still has to suit up a team 12 times this year. They're all fired at the end of this-because Northwestern will have some options. Paul Chryst makes a lot of sense there. David Shaw may fit. Jim Leonhard might fit there.
Firing Fitzgerald was the correct thing to do in my view, but the way they did it makes it look like Schill caved in to the mob. They will have to pay him something.
Who? Is that the campus in Saginaw?
BuffBronco
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Northwestern fires baseball coach Jim Foster following allegations of 'bullying and abusive behavior'
This comes just three days after Northwestern fired football coach Pat Fitzgerald
www.cbssports.com
Next realignment rumor: Northwestern to the Ivy because they aren't equipped to or desirous of competing in the current environment of D1.Northwestern fires baseball coach Jim Foster following allegations of 'bullying and abusive behavior'
This comes just three days after Northwestern fired football coach Pat Fitzgerald
BuffBronco
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ahoelsken
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Kafka will be an NFL HC in 2024 and Elko likely has a better gig now.
Ehh I think its the way this all played out-and not the outcome itself. Fitzgerald gets a two week unpaid vacay in the middle of July originally for this, and then Schill reverses course and fires him for cause two days later. If you've been under a rock for the last two weeks, it would look to you like Schill caved to public pressure.
They'll work something out-Northwestern gives him $10-15M as a settlement.
Big Jim
WTF?
And in what should be a shock to nobody, The Athletic as posted a long form story on the history of hazing that started under the watchful eye of one Gary Barnett.
theathletic.com
‘There’s a significance to ritual’: How a hazing culture evolved at Northwestern’s Camp Kenosha
What might have started as crude behavior during Pat Fitzgerald’s playing days grew increasingly toxic across multiple coaching tenures
theathletic.com
No wonder NW sucked - the players also hazed the coaches as well player / coach group sessions of grievance-airing, including calling out people for infidelity and questioning sexual orientation.
New lawsuit provides most detailed account to date of alleged Northwestern football hazing
Lawsuit filed by Ben Crump on behalf of Lloyd Yates is fourth known complaint filed against NU over alleged hazing and first with a named plaintiff.
www.usatoday.com
Big Jim
WTF?
No wonder NW sucked - the players also hazed the coaches as well player / coach group sessions of grievance-airing, including calling out people for infidelity and questioning sexual orientation.
New lawsuit provides most detailed account to date of alleged Northwestern football hazing
Lawsuit filed by Ben Crump on behalf of Lloyd Yates is fourth known complaint filed against NU over alleged hazing and first with a named plaintiff.www.usatoday.com
Hazing lawsuits brought against universities and coaches are likely to explode around the country now.
And it shouldnt?
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Big Jim
WTF?
The mirror makes some people uncomfortable.
Big Jim
WTF?
Your loss. Bison is ****ing delicious