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We now take you to Miami, Florida.

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God the NCAA is sooo gay. You have to repay the $$$ you were given? I hope that's DJ Williams' punishment too.

"Hey DJ, yeeeeaaaah we're gonna need that $500 bucks back. Thanks. That outta teach ya."
 
The have to repay the benefits. Does that mean that they have to deliver hookers to the NCAA office for the next 8 years? How about free booze?
 
MtnBuff said:
The have to repay the benefits. Does that mean that they have to deliver hookers to the NCAA office for the next 8 years? How about free booze?
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I don't think they have to deliver actual hookers. They can repay the "value" of the hookers. So, about $10 each per BJ and $20 per ****.
 
DBT said:
I don't think they have to deliver actual hookers. They can repay the "value" of the hookers. So, about $10 each per BJ and $20 per ****.
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Only $10 in Miami, a certain former Rockie pitcher reportedly paid at least twice that much on Colfax, not counting the legal bills and the jewelry needed to keep his wife from publicly dumping him.
 
SO another booster will give them cash to give back to Shapiro...the NCAA are such fricking morons.
 
Less than one week after the University of Miami hired Al Golden as coach, members of Golden's coaching staff began using Sean "Pee Wee" Allen – a then-equipment manager and onetime right-hand man of convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro – to circumvent NCAA rules in the recruiting of multiple Miami-area players, Yahoo! Sports has learned.
Golden, hired by Miami in mid-December 2010, had direct knowledge of Allen's improper involvement with Miami recruits, according to a former Hurricanes athletic department staffer and federal testimony given by Allen in Shapiro's bankruptcy case. Additionally, multiple sources interviewed by NCAA investigators have told Yahoo! Sports that Allen has become a focal point in the association's probe into Miami athletics. The sources said investigators focused on Allen's role in providing impermissible benefits to Hurricanes players, as well as his contact with Miami recruits.
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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nca...ciate-in-potential-recruiting-violations.html
 
This can't be true, Miami had major recruiting restrictions and bowl sanctions. They learned their lesson and would never cheat again. They have a sincere desire to be a model program operating completely within the NCAA rules.

The more things change the more they stay the same. Look at the schools that have have had "major" sanctions and try to find evidence that they were hurt enough to make them change their way of doing things.

Ohio State changed coaches but the sanctions don't seem to have hurt them, USC is considered a legit candidate for a national championship this year and even with restrictions may have the top class in the country when it is all said and done. Baylor doesn't appear to have been hurt by the "penalties" either.

Seems to me that the penalties that are being applied to most schools only inspire them to cheat more carefully, not to clean up their programs.

Now Miami is looking at conspiring with a felon. With multiple prior penalties and the serious nature of these charges it will be interesting to see if the NCAA manages to grow some and actually do something that will impact them.
 
I know Miami Fl has a history of being dirty but you have to wonder about the timing of this report. Could it be a hack job by Yahoo Sports? Not suggesting that the events didn't happen but timing of the report's release.
 
NashBuff said:
I know Miami Fl has a history of being dirty but you have to wonder about the timing of this report. Could it be a hack job by Yahoo Sports? Not suggesting that the events didn't happen but timing of the report's release.
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Wrong.
olden, hired by Miami in mid-December 2010, had direct knowledge of Allen's improper involvement with Miami recruits, according to a former Hurricanes athletic department staffer and federal testimony given by Allen in Shapiro's bankruptcy case. Additionally, multiple sources interviewed by NCAA investigators have told Yahoo! Sports that Allen has become a focal point in the association's probe into Miami athletics. The sources said investigators focused on Allen's role in providing impermissible benefits to Hurricanes players, as well as his contact with Miami recruits.
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Probably unrelated to anything but the slow season of football news.
 
Darth Snow said:
Wrong.
Probably unrelated to anything but the slow season of football news.
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Thanks for the clarification.

"In real big trouble" is only putting it mildly for the 'Canes. Perhaps this is part of the reason for the ACC expanding to 14 teams so they can still have a CCG with just 13 teams for a season or two? Given this case and the Penn State thing, it's time for the death penalty to be given to a big time college football program.
 
NashBuff said:
Thanks for the clarification.

"In real big trouble" is only putting it mildly for the 'Canes. Perhaps this is part of the reason for the ACC expanding to 14 teams so they can still have a CCG with just 13 teams for a season or two? Given this case and the Penn State thing, it's time for the death penalty to be given to a big time college football program.
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It will be hard for the NCAA to give either program the death penalty without doing the same with the other even though the situations are very different for each school.

Penn State has had a very clean reputation prior to this event but now is dealing with a crime that is about as revolting as you could posibly find dealing with a systematic cover-up of ongoing crimes against children.

Miami on the other hand is dealing with aiding and abetting the procuring of drugs and prostitutes for players as well as financial benefits to players. This is still not even close to as shocking to the public because the hookers where for the most part adults and Miami is known as a party town. Miami's biggest problem is that they are a multiple time repeat offender and appear to be unrepentant cheaters.

The NCAA rules don't specifically deal with aiding in criminal activity but with the amount of attention and disgust that these scandals have generated in the press the NCAA may feel the need to take serious action if for no other reason than to keep the government from involving themselves like they have in pro sports with the PEDs.
 
I seriously doubt that the NCAA will ever drop the death penalty again against a major football program. However egregious the violations may be, they saw how catastrophic the effects on SMU were and they will do all they can to avoid repeating that.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
I seriously doubt that the NCAA will ever drop the death penalty again against a major football program. However egregious the violations may be, they saw how catastrophic the effects on SMU were and they will do all they can to avoid repeating that.
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I would agree that the NCAA would prefer to never have to drop the bomb again. Unfortunately the schools seem to be forcing their hand. All the prior sanctions against Miami only seem to have made them cheat more. Any remainding credibility the NCAA has is on the line with this one. On the other hand the PSU situation has the nation so thouroughly disgusted that some huge step has to be taken or they will risk governmental intervention and the loss of major sponsors.

The other penalties they have tried have simply not worked and would be seen as insufficient and innaproriate in these situations.
 
NashBuff said:
No wonder the ACC expanded to 14 schools so there will still be at least 12 teams for the CCG.
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Would not be surprised if the NCAA allows the B10 to have a CCG even if they put PSU out of competition for a season or two. That rule is one they could adjust easily without major arguement or controversy.
 
MtnBuff said:
I would agree that the NCAA would prefer to never have to drop the bomb again. Unfortunately the schools seem to be forcing their hand. All the prior sanctions against Miami only seem to have made them cheat more. Any remainding credibility the NCAA has is on the line with this one. On the other hand the PSU situation has the nation so thouroughly disgusted that some huge step has to be taken or they will risk governmental intervention and the loss of major sponsors.

The other penalties they have tried have simply not worked and would be seen as insufficient and innaproriate in these situations.
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But has Miami had a 2nd major violation within the past 5 years? That's a criteria for a program potentially being put on probation. As for PSU, as horrific as the Sandusky scandal is, where are the NCAA violations? The answer is there aren't any. :huh:
 
CarolinaBuff said:
As for PSU, as horrific as the Sandusky scandal is, where are the NCAA violations? The answer is there aren't any. :huh:
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really? Are you arguing that Penn State had complete institutional control of what was going on the past 14 years?
 
if they give enough teams the death penalty, we'll be competing for national championships sooner.
 
We could have gotten the DP in 05.. Especially after the slick rick scandal.
 
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