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What's your main criteria for our next Head Coach?

helfrich just could not recruit@ oregon....so although hes a smart dude i pass
tedford is intriging but similar to les does he have enough gas in the tank?
utah st and boise guy ...no thanks dont want to go that route
grinch.....if we cant land les would be interesting
 
ahoelsken said:
Gross. Let me be honest on Miles-I think that's a lazy, ooh we've gotta go with somebody with CU ties type of hire, but I can go with it depending on who the coordinators are.
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I don't see it as lazy. His pedigree is pretty solid as far as I can see. What is it that you don't like about Miles?

Shldr2Shldr said:
I think the CU ties are why CU has a shot at hiring him. I don't think he would be a good hire, because of his CU ties.
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Why would he not be a good hire because of his CU ties?
 
If it’s Miles (and I hope not), he needs to interview with plan in hand, like Orgeron did at LSU.

Miles + Tupoi as 1.3M DC with no promises, but overtures that he could be next. He’s impressive. Got ahead of himself when he was young, but been flying straight especially under Saban.
 
married2abuff said:
I don't see it as lazy. His pedigree is pretty solid as far as I can see. What is it that you don't like about Miles?


Why would he not be a good hire because of his CU ties?
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I mean that his CU ties are not why I think he would be a good hire. His resume stands on its own.
 
For me, with Miles, it is all about the staff he could bring. If he can use his cache to convince some big time coordinators to come to Boulder, then I don't know why you don't go for it.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
I think the CU ties are why CU has a shot at hiring him. I don't think he would be a good hire, because of his CU ties.
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Its still a lazy move if it gets made. For one of you guys who are pushing that-throw out some realistic names for coordinators for him.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
For me, with Miles, it is all about the staff he could bring. If he can use his cache to convince some big time coordinators to come to Boulder, then I don't know why you don't go for it.
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Agree 100 percent. Must convince RG of this in interview, with names.
 
married2abuff said:
I don't see it as lazy. His pedigree is pretty solid as far as I can see. What is it that you don't like about Miles?


Why would he not be a good hire because of his CU ties?
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As far as your second question, Jon Embree had CU ties-and he won four games in two years. As far as your first, I don't hear much in terms of realistic chatter with regard to his coordinators on here, and we've failed in our search if we're not reaching out to a guy like Jeff Tedford.
 
ahoelsken said:
As far as your second question, Jon Embree had CU ties-and he won four games in two years. As far as your first, I don't hear much in terms of realistic chatter with regard to his coordinators on here, and we've failed in our search if we're not reaching out to a guy like Jeff Tedford.
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We hired Embree specifically because of his CU ties. Because he would come here for cheap. Because it is what the donors/boosters/alumni wanted. We would be hiring Les Miles because of his proven resume as a head coach. We may have a better chance over some other teams because of his ties. Very very different circumstances.

As far as lack of chatter, we haven't heard any chatter about any coaches or any of their staffs.
 
Some of you guys seem very worried about Les Miles' ability to hire high caliber assistants. Ok. Isn't that a thing for anyone we'd hire? Isn't it more of a concern if we were talking about someone coming from G5 or who is younger with a smaller coaching tree or who hasn't won a national championship or who hasn't mentored other guys into HC positions - including one who won a national championship of his own?

It blows my mind that this narrative as a concern seems to be taking hold. It's the least of my worries with Miles.

My only worry is on how much gas he has in the tank. If he's got the fire, there's very little to worry about with this option.
 
ahoelsken said:
As far as your second question, Jon Embree had CU ties-and he won four games in two years. As far as your first, I don't hear much in terms of realistic chatter with regard to his coordinators on here, and we've failed in our search if we're not reaching out to a guy like Jeff Tedford.
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Is there any reason why he wouldn't be successful in pulling together a solid staff (as opposed to any other candidate)?

I get the concern over doing due diligence, and I trust RG to do that. If you like Tedford better than Miles, that's cool. That becomes a matter of preference. I haven't, however, seen anything tangible that would suggest Miles would be a bad choice.
 
Buffnik said:
Some of you guys seem very worried about Les Miles' ability to hire high caliber assistants. Ok. Isn't that a thing for anyone we'd hire? Isn't it more of a concern if we were talking about someone coming from G5 or who is younger with a smaller coaching tree or who hasn't won a national championship or who hasn't mentored other guys into HC positions - including one who won a national championship of his own?

It blows my mind that this narrative as a concern seems to be taking hold. It's the least of my worries with Miles.

My only worry is on how much gas he has in the tank. If he's got the fire, there's very little to worry about with this option.
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The worry with Miles should be more focused on his unorthodox time management / game management issues. Whether or not he can adapt to playing in a conference like the Pac-12. Can he still recruit at a high level if he isn't surrounded by talent like he was at OSU and LSU. Can he recruit the west coast at all? What kind of connections does he have out here?

Whether or not he can build a good staff is pretty low on my worry list.
 
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Shldr2Shldr said:
The worry with Miles should be more focused on his unorthodox time management / game management issues. Whether or not he can adapt to playing in a conference like the Pac-12. Can he still recruit at a high level if he isn't surrounded by talent like he was at OSU and LSU. Can he recruit the west coast at all? What kind of connections does he have out here?

Whether or not he can build a good staff is pretty low on my worry list there.
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Exactly.

As long as he's got the fire and he has an actual plan other than "hire me because I'm ****ing Les Miles and CU would be lucky to have me", then this is a pretty easy move to make for RG as long as he's got the budget to implement Miles' plan vis a vis assistant hires.
 
Buffnik said:
Some of you guys seem very worried about Les Miles' ability to hire high caliber assistants. Ok. Isn't that a thing for anyone we'd hire? Isn't it more of a concern if we were talking about someone coming from G5 or who is younger with a smaller coaching tree or who hasn't won a national championship or who hasn't mentored other guys into HC positions - including one who won a national championship of his own?

It blows my mind that this narrative as a concern seems to be taking hold. It's the least of my worries with Miles.

My only worry is on how much gas he has in the tank. If he's got the fire, there's very little to worry about with this option.
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Here's the question for you with Miles-Who could he get to fill both the coordinator spots?
 
Buffnik said:
...I look at MacIntyre and can say that he's a very good football coach .... for a P5 program that would be happy with mediocre results and never having to worry about whether the HC was being an honorable Boy Scout...
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Certain this is what a majority of the CU community does want. Especially, your latter point.
 
ahoelsken said:
Here's the question for you with Miles-Who could he get to fill both the coordinator spots?
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Who could anyone get?

That's my point. We don't know.

But we do know that Miles has a deep tree and a history of developing the coaches under him. He should be able to make better hires than most coaches we could consider for the job. Plucking from the LSU, OSU, Jimbo Fisher and Michigan trees and their extensions is a damn good place to start for building a staff, I'd say.
 
The only thing that should be an issue with Les Miles and his staff is the budget that CU would allocate. Since he is getting paid by LSU no matter what, he would probably want that cash to go to his staff. CU hasn't exactly been top-tier in the budget department for assistants in the past (just like they haven't for HC salaries). Would we be willing to have two $1m/year coordinators, and pay above average across the board?

If not, then those concerns about his ability to build a staff are self-imposed.

Going "cheap" on this hire could be the greatest risk/reward we face for the next decade.
 
ScottyBuff said:
The only thing that should be an issue with Les Miles and his staff is the budget that CU would allocate. Since he is getting paid by LSU no matter what, he would probably want that cash to go to his staff. CU hasn't exactly been top-tier in the budget department for assistants in the past (just like they haven't for HC salaries). Would we be willing to have two $1m/year coordinators, and pay above average across the board?

If not, then those concerns about his ability to build a staff are self-imposed.

Going "cheap" on this hire could be the greatest risk/reward we face for the next decade.
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He's getting roughly $1.5m/year in buyout money from LSU through 2022. If he takes this job, my guess is he's making at least that much. This isn't a Charlie Strong/USF type of deal.
 
Did I read that Les Miles is still owed 6.46 million from 2019-2022 and that his payout by LSU goes down by every dollar he accepts on his next job? Wouldn’t it reason that buffs could work something out on his contract to give him a substantial increase after 2022 allowing more money to be spent on assistants up until that point? Gets $500k a year from Colorado through 2022 and then his salary jumps to $5mil per for 2023&2024. Just a thought.
 
brockbuff said:
Did I read that Les Miles is still owed 6.46 million from 2019-2022 and that his payout by LSU goes down by every dollar he accepts on his next job? Wouldn’t it reason that buffs could work something out on his contract to give him a substantial increase after 2022 slowing more money to be spent on assistants up until that point? Gets $500k a year from Colorado through 2022 and then his salary jumps to $5mil per for 2023&2024. Just a thought.
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This is a definite possibility.
 
hawg1 said:
If it’s Miles (and I hope not), he needs to interview with plan in hand, like Orgeron did at LSU.

Miles + Tupoi as 1.3M DC with no promises, but overtures that he could be next. He’s impressive. Got ahead of himself when he was young, but been flying straight especially under Saban.
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Why would Lupoi leave Saban to come here?
 
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