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Where do you stand on HCMM?

Where do you stand on MacIntyre and his future?

  • Would be happy if he was back in 2018 with the current staff largely the same

    Votes: 2 1.0%

  • Would be happy for him to be back for 2018 but only with several changes on the staff

    Votes: 67 34.5%

  • Hope he gets hired away, we need fresh blood but buyout too big for us to fire him

    Votes: 108 55.7%

  • Bite the bullet and fire him, I just want him gone

    Votes: 17 8.8%
  • Total voters
    194
  • Poll closed .
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I'd go with Aqib Talib cubed. And Mac doesn't even have a chain to rip off.
 
BTW, pic #2 is the Southern Gentleman persona (and the reality) that I was opining about earlier today.
 
TSchekler said:
On a scale of 1 to Aqib Talib, how badly do you think Tumpkin wanted to fight Mac right then and there?
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I’d probably go somewhere in the middle like Ndamukong Suh, a gentle nut tap. But it all depends on if he tore his necklace off first because then it’s probably somewhere between mike Tyson biting an ear and talib. Necklace’s are a no go in the hood, you don’t touch a mans necklace.
 
HCMM asked me specifically not to stand on him. Something about dirty feet.

I’ll show myself out... :whistle:
 
Why was Macintrye given a contract extension prior to the season in the first place? If he was a proven commodity that would be one thing, but that was hardly the case. He was 2-25 in conference prior to last season. If he had another good season then we could have offered him a new contract. And if he's pissed that we didn't offer sooner and goes elsewhere then so be it. Frankly if we had a better season it seems like he would have left regardless of his contract status.

I understand for various reasons having a lame-duck coach whose future is in limbo is not ideal, but then again investing millions of dollars and the program's future into a coach who may not be right for the job is not exactly ideal either.

And why is his contract fully guaranteed? Less then half of Chip Kelly's UCLA contract is guaranteed. Dan Mullen only gets one-third of his Flordia contract if he's fired. And these are just two examples of many. How did Macintyre get more advantageous contract terms then significantly more accomplished coaches?
 
J-R-K said:
Why was Macintrye given a contract extension prior to the season in the first place? If he was a proven commodity that would be one thing, but that was hardly the case. He was 2-25 in conference prior to last season. If he had another good season then we could have offered him a new contract. And if he's pissed that we didn't offer sooner and goes elsewhere then so be it. Frankly if we had a better season it seems like he would have left regardless of his contract status.

I understand for various reasons having a lame-duck coach whose future is in limbo is not ideal, but then again investing millions of dollars and the program's future into a coach who may not be right for the job is not exactly ideal either.

And why is his contract fully guaranteed? Less then half of Chip Kelly's UCLA contract is guaranteed. Dan Mullen only gets one-third of his Flordia contract if he's fired. And these are just two examples of many. How did Macintyre get more advantageous contract terms then significantly more accomplished coaches?
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Is it too early to start calling MM, Hawkins 2.0?
 
J-R-K said:
Hawkins actually had a better conference win % here then Macintyre. So it would be unfair to lump Hawkins in with an inferior coach.
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Two things with that comparison. One, its just plain dumb. Its trying to argue that the US men's soccer team is better than Canada's. They both suck, and nobody cares. Two, it doesn't work because Hawkins never coached in this conference and MacIntyre never coached in the Big 12-That league was easier than this one is.
 
ahoelsken said:
Two things with that comparison. One, its just plain dumb. Its trying to argue that the US men's soccer team is better than Canada's. They both suck, and nobody cares. Two, it doesn't work because Hawkins never coached in this conference and MacIntyre never coached in the Big 12-That league was easier than this one is.
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It was just a joke, relax.

One more thing to point out, SJSU hasn't had a winning season since Macintyre left. Maybe the new coach was clueless, i don't know. But regardless if Mac had left that program with such great talent then they should have had more success. If people are going to blame Embree for Macintyre's shortcomings here, isn't it also fair to blame Macintyre for SJSU's shortcomings since he left? Eight years with his fingerprints on that program either as coach or with some portions of the team being his recruits and that 2012 season that landed him this job was the only time they've finished above .500.
 
J-R-K said:
Why was Macintrye given a contract extension prior to the season in the first place? If he was a proven commodity that would be one thing, but that was hardly the case. He was 2-25 in conference prior to last season. If he had another good season then we could have offered him a new contract. And if he's pissed that we didn't offer sooner and goes elsewhere then so be it. Frankly if we had a better season it seems like he would have left regardless of his contract status.

I understand for various reasons having a lame-duck coach whose future is in limbo is not ideal, but then again investing millions of dollars and the program's future into a coach who may not be right for the job is not exactly ideal either.

And why is his contract fully guaranteed? Less then half of Chip Kelly's UCLA contract is guaranteed. Dan Mullen only gets one-third of his Flordia contract if he's fired. And these are just two examples of many. How did Macintyre get more advantageous contract terms then significantly more accomplished coaches?
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This has been discussed before but if you don't give an extension when a coach wins National Coach of the Year, when do you give it? If you suggest that you wait until he validates it with another good season, you either become less attractive to future coaching hires because of that policy, and/or you your coaches are going to get poached before they ever get the chance to "prove" they are good.
 
SpacemanSpiff said:
This has been discussed before but if you don't give an extension when a coach wins National Coach of the Year, when do you give it? If you suggest that you wait until he validates it with another good season, you either become less attractive to future coaching hires because of that policy, and/or you your coaches are going to get poached before they ever get the chance to "prove" they are good.
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I'm not advocating a specific "policy" every situation is unique but generally you give a coach an extension when you're confident they're the guy long-term. For Macintyre to go from being in serious danger of being fired to a big new contract based solely on the results of one season seems like a stretch to me. And I don't think coaches getting poached in the circumstances you describe is really a concern. If a coach has done well enough that another school wants to hire them, it would stand to reason that they have also done enough to warrant a new contract.

At the very least even if we give him a new contract perhaps the terms could have better reflected the fact that he's not a proven commodity? Again how does he get a fully guaranteed contract while other coaches, including some who have been much more successful then him, only have a portion of their contract guaranteed. Just from the past few day alone: Dan Mullen: $12 million guaranteed. Chip Kelly: $9 million guaranteed. Mike Macintyre: $16.25 million guaranteed. Explain that to me.
 
J-R-K said:
I'm not advocating a specific "policy" every situation is unique but generally you give a coach an extension when you're confident they're the guy long-term. For Macintyre to go from being in serious danger of being fired to a big new contract based solely on the results of one season seems like a stretch to me. And I don't think coaches getting poached in the circumstances you describe is really a concern. If a coach has done well enough that another school wants to hire them, it would stand to reason that they have also done enough to warrant a new contract.

At the very least even if we give him a new contract perhaps the terms could have better reflected the fact that he's not a proven commodity? Again how does he get a fully guaranteed contract while other coaches, including some who have been much more successful then him, only have a portion of their contract guaranteed. Just from the past few day alone: Dan Mullen: $12 million guaranteed. Chip Kelly: $9 million guaranteed. Mike Macintyre: $16.25 million guaranteed. Explain that to me.
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I have no idea on the guaranteed money. Do we believe those numbers? I agree that it would be odd if those numbers are correct..
 
In my estimation, Pigeon took an average team and made it a dumpster fire. Mac took a dumpster fire and made us average.

Mac’s strategy is to take upper level G5 talent, groom them and hope the senior-laden team kicks ass. After that we are stuck w G5 talent (on average).

We need a P5 coach who can get P5 talent.
 
SpacemanSpiff said:
I have no idea on the guaranteed money. Do we believe those numbers? I agree that it would be odd if those numbers are correct..
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Chip Kelly's contract details come directly from their AD, Macintyre's are straight from a CU press release. And Mullen's have been reported by multiple credible sources. And these are just the two latest examples, plenty of other coaches have only partially guaranteed contracts that make it easier for the school to get out of then what RG agreed to with Mac.
 
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ahoelsken said:
Two things with that comparison. One, its just plain dumb. Its trying to argue that the US men's soccer team is better than Canada's. They both suck, and nobody cares. Two, it doesn't work because Hawkins never coached in this conference and MacIntyre never coached in the Big 12-That league was easier than this one is.
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We have not lost to Canada in 32 years, so i guess one sucks more than the other, just saying.
 
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