8-5, 8-5, 10-4, 7-6, 3-9. So UA was trending up in the first 3 seasons with Stoops' guys and now that they've hit 3-9 with all RR's guys, he's been exposed? Is it that simple? One down year out of five and he's on the hot seat?
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Which Pac-12 HC will be the first fired in 2017?
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10-7-3 is a downward trend. So yes.
10 wins were with upperclassmen he inherited.
See Michigan. Did he leave them better or worse off?
10-7-6 would be less alarming.
I am on record btw, three years ago stating this would happen, as well as questioning Mora and Graham. Took heat then as I was defending giving Mac more time. . I'm Kreskin the Magnificent, it's on the record.
10 wins were with upperclassmen he inherited.
See Michigan. Did he leave them better or worse off?
10-7-6 would be less alarming.
I am on record btw, three years ago stating this would happen, as well as questioning Mora and Graham. Took heat then as I was defending giving Mac more time. . I'm Kreskin the Magnificent, it's on the record.
What's the magic number for him to keep his job this year, and then what are his HC options if he were to get fired (my original question)?
You can criticize Mora, Graham, and Rodriguez for a lot of things, but I am not sure things are objectively worse since they took over at their respective schools.
In the case of Mora, I would say that assertion is quite faulty. In the case of Rodriguez, he did not walk into a good situation. Has he made them better? I think a little bit, but it also goes back to the question of who can they actually get if they fire him. I do not think it is a desirable job. Graham seems to be a typical ASU coach. Wins some games early, but basically zero threat to win a championship. Koetter and Erickson were mediocre too.
In the case of Mora, I would say that assertion is quite faulty. In the case of Rodriguez, he did not walk into a good situation. Has he made them better? I think a little bit, but it also goes back to the question of who can they actually get if they fire him. I do not think it is a desirable job. Graham seems to be a typical ASU coach. Wins some games early, but basically zero threat to win a championship. Koetter and Erickson were mediocre too.
Yeah, and it wasn't like Stoops was having wild success before RR got there. He never won more than 8 games, only went to 3 bowl games (1-2 record) and only finished higher than 5th in the conference once, with a 6-3 con record. So while maybe RR has been winning with Stoops' recruits, he has seemingly done a better job with them than Stoops ever did.
I'd have fired him already. I'd want to see improvement. Competitive in conference like Utah always is. Huge blowouts last year.
The record you posted wasn't that impressive if you look at PAC12 play. Only one season did they win more than lose. Total wins the last 2 years is......4
You cannot make this case. 4 wins in 2 years.
Did your girlfriend walk on you man? You seen to want to pick fights a lot lately.
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Picking a fight? I was asking a legit question and thought we were having a conversation about it. But I guess that's the age we live in, where a difference in opinion is treated with hostility.
Stoops won 10 conference games the last two full years, and then had the one awful year in which he was fired. There was a lot of talent on that roster that was a gift to RichRod.
RichRod has had one good year and below. 500 in PAC play for all others. 4-14 since the lone winning season.
@Duff:
I think AZ could do as well as Oregon St in hiring. May have to go young, but a lot of top G5 guys would go there.
RichRod has had one good year and below. 500 in PAC play for all others. 4-14 since the lone winning season.
@Duff:
I think AZ could do as well as Oregon St in hiring. May have to go young, but a lot of top G5 guys would go there.
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Yes, the tone in your last 3 questions in the 10:15pm post sound combative
P.s. And Pence is the VP and should clearly states he puts America before party.
P.s.s. sorry to hear about the girlfriend
The fiancé is just fine. She has come to understand and accept my addiction to Allbuffs and the occasional late night postings. She calls it "Blogging about the Buffs".Yes, the tone in your last 3 questions in the 10:15pm post sound combative
P.s. And Pence is the VP and should clearly states he puts America before party.
P.s.s. sorry to hear about the girlfriend
RichRod is a tough one to figure out. Obviously, he had great success at West Virginia, but that is actually an easy school to recruit and was in a pretty weak conference at the time. There is a fair bit of talent in Jersey, Maryland, Virginia. The WVU offense he ran was new and exciting, but it's not the case anymore. Defenses adjust.
The stop in Michigan was odd. He had to totally rebuild the personnel from Lloyd Carr's traditional offense and (perhaps) wasn't given enough time. Hoke won with RichRod's team, then fell off a cliff.
Last year, Arizona had a really tough schedule, played Washington well early, then had a ton of injuries and walked into a buzz saw schedule including resurgent USC and CU.
Jury is still out for me.
The stop in Michigan was odd. He had to totally rebuild the personnel from Lloyd Carr's traditional offense and (perhaps) wasn't given enough time. Hoke won with RichRod's team, then fell off a cliff.
Last year, Arizona had a really tough schedule, played Washington well early, then had a ton of injuries and walked into a buzz saw schedule including resurgent USC and CU.
Jury is still out for me.
Rich Rod is an absolute moron who publicly disrespects the U. of A. If the Tucsonian locals, and to some respect the U. of A. grads in the PHX metroplex and SoCal gave a small crap about football, he'd have been run off last year. All they care about is hoops. I look for Graham to get fired before RR just because the Sparky faithful really want to have a good football program and they know that it's theoretically possible. ASU is a hellhole and I wish them nothing but eternal failure.
I am not trying to say Rich Rod has been good the last couple seasons, I just think you overrate Stoops here.
And comparing their hiring potential to Oregon State is damning with faint praise.
8Jah
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Todd Helton - Great coach, tough job.
RR - could you find a better guy for UofA.
TG - Either good coach, or cheater. If exposed as cheater this year will get one more 'cause he donated money for the new stadium.
Mora - Too much momentum in recruiting. Too much turn over in UCLA job prior to Mora. He stays.
More likely no one gets fired or someone else gets canned for doing something dumb.
RR - could you find a better guy for UofA.
TG - Either good coach, or cheater. If exposed as cheater this year will get one more 'cause he donated money for the new stadium.
Mora - Too much momentum in recruiting. Too much turn over in UCLA job prior to Mora. He stays.
More likely no one gets fired or someone else gets canned for doing something dumb.
Do we really know enough about Helton to call him a great coach?
With Graham, I think it more a question of whether he can sustain success at one place.
I've seen chatter that this "someone" is UCLA.
A. I'm not a Stoops fan, but he had them roughly .500 in conference. That's a high bar for RichRod given the trend line.
B. I think they can do better than both with smart hiring. They are not going to get a big name, which is what they got with RichRod. RichRod rode a unique offense at WVU. By the time he got to UM, defenses start to catch up with him and it became apparent he was a goofy dude and a bad HC. His offense isn't enough to carry him anymore and he's done. Cooked.
Oregon St comparison (Utah, WSU and even CU when we were the dregs) is because you got to find a very good coach who isn't a huge name. UofA can get a very solid G5 guy or a good coordinator who could be solid. RichRod is taking that program to new lows.
BuffNut99
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I agree Helton has the toughest job, but now that he has given up his MLB gig, I think he'll do alright....
Once PFM arrived in Tennessee, Helton became a footnote to college football. I wonder what ever happened to him.