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Who should be our next head coach?
- Thread starter Jayne Cobb
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KD must have one heck of an agent. They hit CU at exactly the right time. Maybe RG is a good fundraiser/Vision Guy but he's a crappy negotiator.
Captain Obvious: The party who feels most pressed for time in a negotiation is the party most likely to **** up. As noted by someone above, RG left his blind side (the contingency that KD might be not all that) completely exposed in his haste to cover the contingency of another dreaded Early Bolt.
The only way out of the mess at the end of this season is to appeal to KD's sense of (hopefully) not wanting to fail miserably and publicly for an extended period of time, and do a negotiated buyout. It's the Cross Fingers, Hope and Crawl Strategy, the last refuge of horrendous negotiators.
On the football side, get ready for Drew Carter Part 1 pretty soon. The scoreboard results can't be much worse, unless the Defense starts to fold as a unit. At that point we are entering Embree-like territory with 52-10 games rather than 38-17ish....
Is this **** really happening? Did Katie H or Betsy put an eternal Hex on us?
Captain Obvious: The party who feels most pressed for time in a negotiation is the party most likely to **** up. As noted by someone above, RG left his blind side (the contingency that KD might be not all that) completely exposed in his haste to cover the contingency of another dreaded Early Bolt.
The only way out of the mess at the end of this season is to appeal to KD's sense of (hopefully) not wanting to fail miserably and publicly for an extended period of time, and do a negotiated buyout. It's the Cross Fingers, Hope and Crawl Strategy, the last refuge of horrendous negotiators.
On the football side, get ready for Drew Carter Part 1 pretty soon. The scoreboard results can't be much worse, unless the Defense starts to fold as a unit. At that point we are entering Embree-like territory with 52-10 games rather than 38-17ish....
Is this **** really happening? Did Katie H or Betsy put an eternal Hex on us?
That is only part of the math. The contract, a clip of the actual page describing the buyout is attached to a post higher up in this thread, states that if terminated before 12/31/21 he would receive $14.8M less what he has already been paid in 2021. This means that by 12/31/21 his actual buyout would be $11,400,000 assuming he is paid equally over the year and not a lump sum on 12/31/21.
So, at December 31 he would essentially be owed:
2021: $11,400,000
2022: $7,800,000
2023 $4,000,000
This assumes that there is no contract extension.
Don't assume that with RG.
Thanks for doing this math. Given how shambolic this whole thing is, the earliest I see us parting ways with KD is the 2023 date.
Right. It’s only $14.8m if they fire him mid season this year essentially. I could maybe see the AD coming up with $7.8m to fire him after next season on 1/1/23, but can’t see them paying $11.4m to make him go away after this year
Getting that amount of cash to pay him AND the necessary raises for the next staff is not available. Maybe the 2023 date.
If you are right, it's Head Coach Albatross.
CUFB is in deep trouble.
Time to find other things to do.
I think Jim’s math is right. Either way, I don’t see anything changing until after the 2023 season.
It is doubtful he gets paid more in-season than out of season. If so, he would be owed roughly $13.1M mid season this year. It makes no sense to fire him in January of any year there would be no cost savings over firing him on 11/30 of any given year.
My math assumes he is paid equal amounts each month throughout the year.
He inherited a top 5 program and left it…not the same.
And if Simone Biles thought the Olympics was overwhelming, what would she do if she was a CU fan?
Josh McDaniels started his time with the Broncos at 6-0. By your thinking he should have gotten at least another year.
How long until RG extends KD. Lol
That’s why I already set my reminder. Think of all the time we’ll save!
“Hey Siri, set a reminder on Dec, 1st 2023 to see if CU fired Karl Dorrell”
Ok that makes a bit more sense, so at least they can fire him in November of 2022 and basically only owe him the $7.8m + the December salary?
Negative: Barring a miracle turnaround, CU football is doomed to suck real bad for the forseeable future.
Positive: I know this well in advance and don't have to watch this tragedy (again).
For all the good RG did early in his tenure, (1) the failure to ensure Mel had a big buyout for at least 2 years; (2) the hire of Karl; (3) giving Karl a huge contract instead of spending it on the staff; and (4) guaranteeing of his full salary are all horrifically bad decisions that will overwhelm his legacy here.
Pending a miracle, RG is now a failure at CU and has wasted the last decade of incremental progress. He also seems unable to learn from past mistakes when it comes to contracts.
Thank goodness Mike ****in Bohn gifted him Tad (and even Macintyre - which RG also screwed up with that buyout) or he'd have almost zero positive things from actual games played by the department he oversees.
Positive: I know this well in advance and don't have to watch this tragedy (again).
For all the good RG did early in his tenure, (1) the failure to ensure Mel had a big buyout for at least 2 years; (2) the hire of Karl; (3) giving Karl a huge contract instead of spending it on the staff; and (4) guaranteeing of his full salary are all horrifically bad decisions that will overwhelm his legacy here.
Pending a miracle, RG is now a failure at CU and has wasted the last decade of incremental progress. He also seems unable to learn from past mistakes when it comes to contracts.
Thank goodness Mike ****in Bohn gifted him Tad (and even Macintyre - which RG also screwed up with that buyout) or he'd have almost zero positive things from actual games played by the department he oversees.
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I feel sick.
I agree with the idea of paying the next coach incrementally more than the last in order to stay somewhat competitive, but there is no way RG needed to fully guarantee his contract w/r/t his termination buyout. Guys like Mel Tucker, Ryan Day, Sark, Herman, etc have the cache to demand more of the money in a fireable situation, but this was the payday of Dorrell's lifetime regardless of whether it was fully guaranteed. He would have almost certainly agreed to something like Sam Pittman's contract at Arkansas or even something more drastic
Big Jim's math post is why RG needs to be fired yesterday. He paid a journeyman WR coach well above his resume and then tacked on all these guarantees.
"KD - here's the job. We'll guarantee 2 years. Then we will revisit in year 3 after you've had your chance to put your stamp on things. But only 2 years guaranteed".
If KD wasn't ok with that, let him keep coaching WRs in the NFL.
Rick is the worse businessman ever. He's a salesman, and an empty suit one at that. He came in and convinced some donors to pay for the stadium and training facility. He convinced Mel Tucker to come here, but with promises he couldn't keep. This is story of incompetence.
"KD - here's the job. We'll guarantee 2 years. Then we will revisit in year 3 after you've had your chance to put your stamp on things. But only 2 years guaranteed".
If KD wasn't ok with that, let him keep coaching WRs in the NFL.
Rick is the worse businessman ever. He's a salesman, and an empty suit one at that. He came in and convinced some donors to pay for the stadium and training facility. He convinced Mel Tucker to come here, but with promises he couldn't keep. This is story of incompetence.
He keeps talking about how a new sound system, new bathrooms and a complete renovation of Balch and the west side are in the works. Why the **** is that where funds are being allocated instead of doing what it takes to hire and retain a good coaching staff and recruiting infrastructure??
A good football team pays for all of that stuff.
So there is one reasonable way CU gets out of paying that whole $7.8 million if they fire him after 2022. Since Dorrell is required to seek employment for offset purposes in 2023-2025, he may be ready to just retire. In that case, the buyout would certainly be negotiated lower.
Additionally, depending on how payments are made, he may want a bigger lump sum up front, which would also lowers the negotiated buyout (MacIntyre was given two lump sum payments as part of a lower negotiated buyout).
Additionally, depending on how payments are made, he may want a bigger lump sum up front, which would also lowers the negotiated buyout (MacIntyre was given two lump sum payments as part of a lower negotiated buyout).
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blindslighted
Contracts must be respected. Why would he agree to negotiate it down or take a pay cut? Mel Tucker was abused for bailing on the prograam. At the end of day it is a business. There are no more loyalties in big money NCAA football. I was upset when Mel Tucker left. I have changed my mind.
