Who should be our next head coach?

[GoBuffs18]

If we terminate him after 12/31 of this year and before 12/31 of next year we owe him 11.4 million minus any money he has already been paid. His salary started at 3.2 million and he would be paid for 2 full years after that so his buy out would be about 5 million. That buy out drops to around 1 million if he’s fired after 12/31 2022.

 

[leftybuff]

If we terminate him after 12/31 of this year and before 12/31 of next year we owe him 11.4 million minus any money he has already been paid. His salary started at 3.2 million and he would be paid for 2 full years after that so his buy out would be about 5 million. That buy out drops to around 1 million if he’s fired after 12/31 2022.

I don't think you are reading that right

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

If we terminate him after 12/31 of this year and before 12/31 of next year we owe him 11.4 million minus any money he has already been paid. His salary started at 3.2 million and he would be paid for 2 full years after that so his buy out would be about 5 million. That buy out drops to around 1 million if he’s fired after 12/31 2022.

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

 

[GoBuffs18]

I don't think you are reading that right

I’m going to need some clarity on this because if we are stuck with Dorrell through 2024 I may no longer be a college football fan.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

This is insane! We are stuck.

 

[InTheBuff]

Karl Dorrell is an excellent coach. Success won't happen overnight. It will take time to rebuild the program.

 

[bigbang2]

This is insane! We are stuck.

 

[Not Sure]

Usually, when somebody posts a gif in response to another post, it makes sense in respect to the original post. I have absolutely no idea what Shaq has to do with our current situation.

so, here-

 

[SINKRATZ]

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That f**king guy has the best winning percentage of any CU coach since the forward pass was legalized.

Still no.

 

[InTheBuff]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

JFC !!!

If this is true we are ****ed beyond ****ed.
I've NEVER thought this before but why should I buy my season ticket to watch the product that I know will be on the field.
I MIGHT get them for 2022 but beyond that I'll be done.

 

[Da Lama]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

If this is true, the program is DONE. Fvck it, let's just bail and go FCS and throw our money and weight into basketball. Think Villanova. The Pac12 can go get BYU to take our place.

 

[chipwich]

The title of the thread.

First season 4-2
Second season 1-4, 7 gamges left.

Fire him lol?

Toss out the Northern Colorado game.

They have lost 6 games in a row against P5 teams with a combine score of 78-195. The team looks unprepared and overmatched every week.

I'm not calling for him to be fired this season but you are delusional (and trolling) if you think his job shouldn't be on the line.

 

[Da Lama]

Toss out the Northern Colorado game.

They have lost 6 games in a row against P5 teams with a combine score of 78-195. The team looks unprepared and overmatched every week.

I'm not calling for him to be fired this season but you are delusional (and trolling) if you think his job shouldn't be on the line.

Check recruiting. Then get back to me on whether you think he should be fired this season...

 

[chipwich]

Check recruiting. Then get back to me on whether you think he should be fired this season...

I'm just being realistic. I don't think they fire him mid season. Would I have a problem with it. Hell no.

 

[Duff Man]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

Possible (best case?) scenario: he is fired at the beginning of 2023 and a negotiated buyout of a figure in the $6 million range is reached because both sides want to move on.

 

[Goose]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

Rick George, master negotiator, strikes again!

 

[skibum]

No. He essentially has a fully guaranteed contract. If they fire him in a given year, he is owed whatever is remaining on his contract for that year AND whatever is remaining on his contract in total. Below are the buyout numbers (h/t to rward on 247)

If fired before 12/31 of the following years (from the actual contract):
2021: $14,800,000
2022: $11,400,000
2023: $7,800,000
2024: $4,000,000

This tells me that we are stuck with him until Jan 1, 2023 at the earliest.

So...

Here's what the next 14 months look like:

We might win a game in two weeks. We probably won't.

We'll finish 1-11, or if we're lucky 2-10.

Chev, gumbo and maybe a few others will get canned.

We'll hire a new OC that KD chooses.

Recruiting will continue to suck.

RG will will start to enter panic mode in the spring when season ticket renewals crater. Not drop. Crater.

The team wins 2-4 games in 2022. But no one will notice because Folsom is empty and every game is on the P12 network.

Sometime around November RG will go to the regents and tell them that the AD is going to lose >$10MM in 2022-23 because no one is going to games or making donations.

The regents will decide what happens at that point. My guess is that they say "cut expenses," and "no we're not funding a buyout and new coaching staff contract."

All of the fans and donors who abandoned the program will have their decision confirmed.

CU football will = KU football unless and until Regents who give a **** about football get voted in.

 

[Always BUFF]

Thinking backward in time...how many years passed before Barnett was bought out? 4-6
If I recall he was owed appx. 4 Mill.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

This tells me that we are stuck with him until Jan 1, 2023 at the earliest.

So...

Here's what the next 14 months look like:

We might win a game in two weeks. We probably won't.

We'll finish 1-11, or if we're lucky 2-10.

Chev, gumbo and maybe a few others will get canned.

We'll hire a new OC that KD chooses.

Recruiting will continue to suck.

RG will will start to enter panic mode in the spring when season ticket renewals crater. Not drop. Crater.

The team wins 2-4 games in 2022. But no one will notice because Folsom is empty and every game is on the P12 network.

Sometime around November RG will go to the regents and tell them that the AD is going to lose >$10MM in 2022-23 because no one is going to games or making donations.

The regents will decide what happens at that point. My guess is that they say "cut expenses," and "no we're not funding a buyout and new coaching staff contract."

All of the fans and donors who abandoned the program will have their decision confirmed.

CU football will = KU football unless and until Regents who give a **** about football get voted in.

This is why I am all for them using the cameraman incident to fire with cause (I know they won't).

Maybe we get this guy to start antagonizing KD after each loss into some actual violence?

 

[InTheBuff]

This tells me that we are stuck with him until Jan 1, 2023 at the earliest.

So...

Here's what the next 14 months look like:

We might win a game in two weeks. We probably won't.

We'll finish 1-11, or if we're lucky 2-10.

Chev, gumbo and maybe a few others will get canned.

We'll hire a new OC that KD chooses.

Recruiting will continue to suck.

RG will will start to enter panic mode in the spring when season ticket renewals crater. Not drop. Crater.

The team wins 2-4 games in 2022. But no one will notice because Folsom is empty and every game is on the P12 network.

Sometime around November RG will go to the regents and tell them that the AD is going to lose >$10MM in 2022-23 because no one is going to games or making donations.

The regents will decide what happens at that point. My guess is that they say "cut expenses," and "no we're not funding a buyout and new coaching staff contract."

All of the fans and donors who abandoned the program will have their decision confirmed.

CU football will = KU football unless and until Regents who give a **** about football get voted in.

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Date	Opponent	Location
SEPT. 3	TCU	BOULDER
Sept. 10	at Air Force	USAFA, Colo.
Sept. 17	at Minnesota	Minneapolis, Minn.

Pac-12 Home (5): Arizona State, California, Oregon, UCLA, Utah
Pac-12 Road (4): Arizona, Oregon State, USC, Washington

I certainly don't see 2-4 wins...at most 1-2

 

[dio]

How in the world do you give your panicked hire coach that type of buyout?

 

[skibum]

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Date	Opponent	Location
SEPT. 3	TCU	BOULDER
Sept. 10	at Air Force	USAFA, Colo.
Sept. 17	at Minnesota	Minneapolis, Minn.

Pac-12 Home (5): Arizona State, California, Oregon, UCLA, Utah
Pac-12 Road (4): Arizona, Oregon State, USC, Washington

I certainly don't see 2-4 wins...at most 1-2

I'm giving a benefit of the doubt that KD will let a new OC actually install a real offense.

If he insists on keeping his offense, 0-12 is probably the most likely outcome.

 

[SINKRATZ]

This tells me that we are stuck with him until Jan 1, 2023 at the earliest.

So...

Here's what the next 14 months look like:

We might win a game in two weeks. We probably won't.

We'll finish 1-11, or if we're lucky 2-10.

Chev, gumbo and maybe a few others will get canned.

We'll hire a new OC that KD chooses.

Recruiting will continue to suck.

RG will will start to enter panic mode in the spring when season ticket renewals crater. Not drop. Crater.

The team wins 2-4 games in 2022. But no one will notice because Folsom is empty and every game is on the P12 network.

Sometime around November RG will go to the regents and tell them that the AD is going to lose >$10MM in 2022-23 because no one is going to games or making donations.

The regents will decide what happens at that point. My guess is that they say "cut expenses," and "no we're not funding a buyout and new coaching staff contract."

All of the fans and donors who abandoned the program will have their decision confirmed.

CU football will = KU football unless and until Regents who give a **** about football get voted in.

You forgot that some low 3* recruit with MWC and FCS offers will make 2nd team all Pac12 and not be completely terrible giving dozens of morons all they need to point to Dorrell’s skills at “finding talent” when recruiting otherwise appears to be dogs**t.

 

[leftybuff]

How in the world do you give your panicked hire coach that type of buyout?

Sounds very cozy and chummy to me.

 

[Not Sure]

The best we can realistically hope for is that Chev and Rodrique are both ****canned following the season and their replacements are worth a damn. Dorrell ain’t going anywhere.
If I squint really hard and go through some serious mental gymnastics, I can convince myself that’s not the worst outcome possible. Figure any assistants he hires will be reluctant to come here if his seat is really hot. Having that contract might actually help convince quality assistants to take the chance to come here.


Yeah, I know. That’s Simone Biles level mental gymnastics there. If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport, I’d dominate.

 

[manhattanbuff]

This. It is simply beyond my comprehension you over pay a guy NOBODY else was after and then guarantee it. Mismanagement on an epic scale.

In case y’all been wondering why I’ve been banging the fire RG drum….

 

[Big Jim]

Possible (best case?) scenario: he is fired at the beginning of 2023 and a negotiated buyout of a figure in the $6 million range is reached because both sides want to move on.

The math doesn't make any sense. If he is fired on 11/30/22 he would only be owed 1/12 of 2022 total salary unless it is so backloaded that he gets paid a lump sum in December (highly doubtful). He wouldn't be owed the entirety of 2022 if he's fired right after Thanksgiving.

 

[BuffUp]

This **** is movie plot insane

 

[BuffsRising]

That f**king guy has the best winning percentage of any CU coach since the forward pass was legalized.

Still no.

He did a better job here than people give him credit for. After the way he left, I still want to see him devoured by rats.

 

[BuffUp]

Someone's ass needs to be fired. Any other business that shows this kind of ineptitude would... WTF?