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Would we have been better off naming Darrin Chiaverini the permanent head coach?

DC as HC - would we be better off?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 31.3%
  • No

    Votes: 37 77.1%

  • Total voters
    48
KD might turn out not to be the guy. But it is extremely premature to make any decisions. Also we dont know if he is a good recruiter or not. He has not even coached a full 12 game season for the Buffs. I think he has recruited relatively well considering where CU was coming from. Recruiting to me is not about star ratings or rankings. It is about end results. Not enough data to make any conclusions. Will give him another year.
“Considering where Cu was coming from”

You mean a 5-7 season and the best recruiting class (on paper) in almost over a decade?

You continue to suggest Dorrell took over a dumpster fire, when in reality, he took over a program that was on the cusp of consistent bowl eligibility.
 
Lets look at KD only recruiting class which is the 2021 class. Keep him mind he took over late in the recruiting process.

Guys that have played and showed some promise.

Ryan Williams DL FR
Tryin Taylor CB now 3rd CB FR
Kaylin Moore cB FR
Trevor Woods DB FR(blocked a punt, scooped it up and scored), now a 2nd teamer at
saftey.
Chase Penry WR FR
Reed DB FR
Drew Carter QB FR now 2nd team QB
Jack Lamb Grad transfer
Robert Barnes Grad transfer
Ty Robinson WR FR
Cole Becker Kicker FR, starting as a true freshmen, strong leg.

The freshmen are playing a lot. All of these guys were recruited by KD.


Now lets look at the 2022 guys that might be impact players for the Buffs in 2 or 3 years.

Aaron Austin DL
Eric Conley DL
Dixson S
Kayshon Mills DB
Wiggins DB
Aubrey Smith ILB
Victor Venn RB
Owen McCown QB
Carter Edwards OT
Boley OT
Gray OT

On paper the recuriting looks okay to me. I really like the secondary recruiting. But will have to wait at least 2 years to make any concluions on KD recruiting. Also have the transfer portal.
 
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Lets look at KD only recruiting class which is the 2021 class. Keep him mind he took over late in the recruiting process.

Guys that have played and showed some promise.

Ryan Williams DL FR
Tryin Taylor CB now 3rd CB FR
Kaylin Moore cB FR
Trevor Woods DB FR(blocked a punt, scooped it up and scored), now a 2nd teamer at
saftey.
Chase Penry WR FR
Reed DB FR
Drew Carter QB FR now 2nd team QB
Jack Lamb Grad transfer
Robert Barnes Grad transfer
Ty Robinson WR FR
Cole Becker Kicker FR, starting as a true freshmen, strong leg.

The freshmen are playing a lot. All of these guys were recruited by KD.


Now lets look at the 2022 guys that might be impact players for the Buffs in 2 or 3 years.

Aaron Austin DL
Eric Conley DL
Dixson S
Kayshon Mills DB
Wiggins DB
Aubrey Smith ILB
Victor Venn RB
Owen McGown QB
Carter Edwards OT
Bosley OT
Gray OT

On paper the recuriting looks okay to me. I really like the secondary recruiting. But will have to wait at least 2 years to make any concluions on KD reruiting. Also have the transfer portal.
TL;DR version: 11th in the Pac 12 looks pretty good to me.
 
The team is terrible - why is the fact that freshmen are playing on it a sign that recruiting is going well?

The freshmen have played well and are playing a lot. KD took over late in the recruting process. There was a lot of negative recruiting. CU was struggling to recruit a QB. Also because of Covid 19 restrictions, he was limited in what he can do.
 
The freshmen playing this year for the Buffs look good. Guys like Woods, Taylor, Reed and etc.

But in the age of analytics, you respond with Pac 12 rankings.
This is more a comment of the team than is it in these three players.
 
The freshmen have played well and are playing a lot. KD took over late in the recruting process. There was a lot of negative recruiting. CU was struggling to recruit a QB. Also because of Covid 19 restrictions, he was limited in what he can do.
This is a tallest midget argument
 
The freshmen have played well and are playing a lot. KD took over late in the recruting process. There was a lot of negative recruiting. CU was struggling to recruit a QB. Also because of Covid 19 restrictions, he was limited in what he can do.

Covid-19 probably got us to a bowl LY because we played 3 teams from the state of California (all of whom dealt with harsher COVID restrictions than we had-UCLA and Stanford couldn't practice as a team for most of the year right?) and Arizona under Kevin Sumlin (who was more concerned with spending his Aggie buyout checks than recruiting for them but that's not our problem).

Should Dorrell be given praise for ensuring we didn't lose a game because of a COVID outbreak in our locker room? Yes-I've said that already. Was it that good a coaching job? No-especially with the way the year ended. We got our ass kicked for a half by Utah and then got absolutely pummeled by a Texas team that fired their coach days after the bowl game.
 
The freshmen have played well and are playing a lot. KD took over late in the recruting process. There was a lot of negative recruiting. CU was struggling to recruit a QB. Also because of Covid 19 restrictions, he was limited in what he can do.
You and I have very different definitions of “played well”.

But glad to hear the days of negative recruiting CU and struggling to recruit a QB are behind us!
 
Coach basically fired from UCLA because he couldn’t recruit but the jury is still out because he might find enough diamonds in the rough and coach them up
KD wasn't fired for failure to recruit at UCLA, my wife was at school in Westwood at the time and I have a number of friends who are huge fans and involved in the program. He was fired for too many "let down" games, not maximizing the talent on his roster, and a poor bowl record. Much to the frustration of the AD/fans who were under the Nebraska like delusion that UCLA should win 9-10 games every year and beat USC half the time.

All of his teams would do things like they did in 2007 where they shut out #9 Oregon one week and the next week lost 24-7 to SC (when we took aTm to the wire, and came back the next week and lost 30-0 to Minnesota ALL of the UCLA cabal texted and said: "ah the classic Dorrell let down game..."

Also, can we knock off the revisionist hist with D2 Dan and Embree? The two of them have 23 combined wins in P5 competition and will never coach at that level again. MacIntyre has 30 and Dorrell has 41, MT will likely have more than any of them.
 
KD might turn out not to be the guy. But it is extremely premature to make any decisions. Also we dont know if he is a good recruiter or not. He has not even coached a full 12 game season for the Buffs. I think he has recruited relatively well considering where CU was coming from. Recruiting to me is not about star ratings or rankings. It is about end results. Not enough data to make any conclusions. Will give him another year.
Do you believe a program can recruit in the bottom third of the Pac-12 rankings and end up with roster talent in the top third of the conference?

Does anyone on here believe this is a thing that happens and is reasonable to "wait & see" for whether a CU coach/staff can pull it off?
 
Do you believe a program can recruit in the bottom third of the Pac-12 rankings and end up with roster talent in the top third of the conference?

Does anyone on here believe this is a thing that happens and is reasonable to "wait & see" for whether a CU coach/staff can pull it off?
No but the problem is the ranking of high school kids is made by journalists. Lets have a re ranking of classes 2 or 3 years after signing day. Until CU start getting to bowl games consistenty and beating the likes of USC, CU will not be able to compete with USC recruiting. It will take time. We have to build our program with good 3 stars. Coach them up. We will start getting the 5 star recruits when we start winning. Or CU can go down the dark SEC path. There are a lot people like me that remember what happened under Gary Barnett.
 
No but the problem is the ranking of high school kids is made by journalists. Lets have a re ranking of classes 2 or 3 years after signing day. Until CU start getting to bowl games consistenty and beating the likes of USC, CU will not be able to compete with USC recruiting. It will take time. We have to build our program with good 3 stars. Coach them up. We will start getting the 5 star recruits when we start winning. Or CU can go down the dark SEC path. There are a lot people like me that remember what happened under Gary Barnett.
So your answer is "No". Thanks for clarifying.

Also, I guess there's a feeling that CU can't be a program where recruits may go to a college party because of the moral turpitude it would be allowing if someone drank an alcoholic beverage and/or got laid. That, feeding lunch to a walk-on, and telling the press he didn't want to talk about a 3rd string kicker was the horrible GB scandal, right? The stuff we had to destroy our football program over, correct?
 
No but the problem is the ranking of high school kids is made by journalists. Lets have a re ranking of classes 2 or 3 years after signing day. Until CU start getting to bowl games consistenty and beating the likes of USC, CU will not be able to compete with USC recruiting. It will take time. We have to build our program with good 3 stars. Coach them up. We will start getting the 5 star recruits when we start winning. Or CU can go down the dark SEC path. There are a lot people like me that remember what happened under Gary Barnett.
If CU somehow starts winning 7 to 8 games a year on a sorta regular basis it likely won’t be doing it by competing with the likes of USC for many of their recruits. That’s just not realistic. Maybe the occasional one or two recruits at most. Competing, and winning half the battles, with the likes of Utah and Washington is realistic and that should generate said 7 ish wins per season.

No one expects CU to land 5 star recruits more than once a generation, if that. Winning 7 games a season on a regular basis - and occasionally winning 9 - is not going to land 5 star recruits.
 
No but the problem is the ranking of high school kids is made by journalists. Lets have a re ranking of classes 2 or 3 years after signing day. Until CU start getting to bowl games consistenty and beating the likes of USC, CU will not be able to compete with USC recruiting. It will take time. We have to build our program with good 3 stars. Coach them up. We will start getting the 5 star recruits when we start winning. Or CU can go down the dark SEC path. There are a lot people like me that remember what happened under Gary Barnett.
There already is a re-ranking of classes 2-3 years after signing day, it’s called your W/L record. Ours tells us that CU has recruited like dogs**t for the better part of 2 decades. It’s not currently getting better in any way, shape, or form. We are simultaneously worse this year than last while, to your point, playing more freshmen and Dorrell recruits. That isn’t good.
 
So your answer is "No". Thanks for clarifying.

Also, I guess there's a feeling that CU can't be a program where recruits may go to a college party because of the moral turpitude it would be allowing if someone drank an alcoholic beverage and/or got laid. That, feeding lunch to a walk-on, and telling the press he didn't want to talk about a 3rd string kicker was the horrible GB scandal, right? The stuff we had to destroy our football program over, correct?
Otherwise known as, “The Dark SEC Path”
 
So your answer is "No". Thanks for clarifying.

Also, I guess there's a feeling that CU can't be a program where recruits may go to a college party because of the moral turpitude it would be allowing if someone drank an alcoholic beverage and/or got laid. That, feeding lunch to a walk-on, and telling the press he didn't want to talk about a 3rd string kicker was the horrible GB scandal, right? The stuff we had to destroy our football program over, correct?

If only we had more father figures.
 
no we need MORE of them. Like those lightly recruited diamonds in the rough that end up being ballers. They are super easy to find obviously Serenity. And if they are diamonds in the rough, they become instant DEPTH
I'm about to blow some minds, so brace yourselves.

The way you get a bunch of guys like Landman & Wells is... wait for it... loading your recruiting class with guys other P5 programs want. Strangely, those guys are rated at .85 or higher on the 247 Composite (basically the top 1,000 & change recruits).
 
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Answer to the OP.
 
I'm about to blow some minds, so brace yourselves.

The way you get a bunch of guys like Landman & Wells is... wait for it... loading your recruiting class with guys other P5 programs want. Strangely, those guys are rated at .85 or higher on the 247 Composite (basically the top 1,000 & change recruits).

Bruh, lay down the crack pipe.
 
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