2021 Offseason Thread

[manhattanbuff]

I was just thinking the other day, what if you just hired an elite salesman with minimal football experience to be a recruiting coordinator/vp of football ops?

You don’t actually need to know much about football, right? You need to know people and be good at finding out what they want. You could even use The Picard method to run meetings with coaches and scouts to find out who to target, you don’t need to know football, you just need to be a manager.

CU doing something innovative?! LMAO

 

[Medford M.]

Seems like Filip moves over and the other two battle it out for RT.

Also Jake Wray

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Yeah, not that our other receivers are slow scrubs by any stretch, but that one play by MLC showed some real burst.

Carpenter is also very very fast, despite the terrible decision to bring that kick return out and fumbling. Lots of talent, forgetting about Miller (hopefully), as well as Bell and Jackson

 

[CUAviator]

I was just thinking the other day, what if you just hired an elite salesman with minimal football experience to be a recruiting coordinator/vp of football ops?

You don’t actually need to know much about football, right? You need to know people and be good at finding out what they want. You could even use The Picard method to run meetings with coaches and scouts to find out who to target, you don’t need to know football, you just need to be a manager.

I was just thinking the other day, what if you just hired an elite salesman with minimal football experience to be a recruiting coordinator/vp of football ops?

You don’t actually need to know much about football, right? You need to know people and be good at finding out what they want. You could even use The Picard method to run meetings with coaches and scouts to find out who to target, you don’t need to know football, you just need to be a manager.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

I was just thinking the other day, what if you just hired an elite salesman with minimal football experience to be a recruiting coordinator/vp of football ops?

You don’t actually need to know much about football, right? You need to know people and be good at finding out what they want. You could even use The Picard method to run meetings with coaches and scouts to find out who to target, you don’t need to know football, you just need to be a manager.

I actually like the idea, in theory, but for it to really matter, you're talking about a full time job on staff that's probably going to cost a decent amount to pull an experienced and top salesman. I would actually be interested in hearing a so called "ace recruiter" talk to a highly sought after recruit vs a guy who isn't known to be great at it.

 

[manhattanbuff]

I actually like the idea, in theory, but for it to really matter, you're talking about a full time job on staff that's probably going to cost a decent amount to pull an experienced and top salesman. I would actually be interested in hearing a so called "ace recruiter" talk to a highly sought after recruit vs a guy who isn't known to be great at it.

Given how much we pay currently and the scope of college football budgets, I think the organization could find $150-200K for someone to coordinate recruiting efforts as a sales director with healthy bonus options. Weren’t y’all telling me $100 million in buyouts was NBD because boosters will pay? It seems to me that RG can get boosters to cough up a few hundred grand so we can get our shyt together and fire the likes of Bob Lopez.

 

[PAC MAN]

I was just thinking the other day, what if you just hired an elite salesman with minimal football experience to be a recruiting coordinator/vp of football ops?

You don’t actually need to know much about football, right? You need to know people and be good at finding out what they want. You could even use The Picard method to run meetings with coaches and scouts to find out who to target, you don’t need to know football, you just need to be a manager.

I agree...what's so hard about getting people to come to Boulder? Dirty hippies? Communists? I always enjoyed being in Boulder even if I'm the polar opposite of those guys in Boulder. I went to college in Washington DC and that city is run by similar people but there was a lot to do in DC.

 

[onealcd]

I agree...what's so hard about getting people to come to Boulder? Dirty hippies? Communists? I always enjoyed being in Boulder even if I'm the polar opposite of those guys in Boulder. I went to college in Washington DC and that city is run by similar people but there was a lot to do in DC.

There are a couple of things holding us back I would think when you look at how we are being recruited against.

1) we haven’t won a bowl game in forever and have only been to two recently
2) we have the lowest assistant coaching salary pool in the conference currently so getting coaches that can sell the positive aspects of Boulder isn’t easy
3) if you don’t win, fans don’t show up. People in Boulder and colorado don’t care about CU like a lot of colleges in the big 12, big 10 and sec (this is probably the biggest thing going against us when down in Texas)
4) we haven’t put a ton of players into the nfl recently compared to the other programs we want to win recruiting battles against

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Given how much we pay currently and the scope of college football budgets, I think the organization could find $150-200K for someone to coordinate recruiting efforts as a sales director with healthy bonus options. Weren’t y’all telling me $100 million in buyouts was NBD because boosters will pay? It seems to me that RG can get boosters to cough up a few hundred grand so we can get our shyt together and fire the likes of Bob Lopez.

I agree, but I've also never understood why CU hasn't invested in their assistant salary pool. They are 11th/12th in the Pac 12 at $3.3m and like 47th nationally. Head coach salary at $3.2m is 50th. Is it any wonder why CU ranks where it typically does in recruiting and therefore on field results?

Why hasn't Rick George figured out a way to invest another $1m to the Assistant Coaching pool, putting them in line with Utah and UCLA knowing full well the return on that investment over time will almost assuredly offset the extra cost?

Edit: Actually, CU's salary rankings are actually much lower than what I said with a ton of private schools that don't report, but are assuredly much higher than CU

 

[bigbang2]

I hope we can have a full spring game this year. Got to do a lot of developing. Will keep an eye on the following players. Maybe move Spring ball to May or June to allow for more guys to recover from injury. Covid 19 restrictions will most likely be reduced in early spring.

QB- Lewis, Carter, Shrout
RB- Clayton
WR- Rice, Shenault, Craiq, Arias
TE-Fauria, Olson, Russell
OG- Jynes, Lee, Johnson
RT competition- Senn, Ray, Wray, Wiley
DL- Murray Jr, Rodman, Simon, Justin Jackson, Austin Williams
ILB- Marvin Hamm, Mister Williams
OLB- Alvin Williams, Grant
CB- Gonzalez, Blackmon, Luckett. Striker, Nigel Bethel Jr
S- Oliver, Pitman, Lewis, Perry

 

[manhattanbuff]

I agree, but I've also never understood why CU hasn't invested in their assistant salary pool. They are 11th/12th in the Pac 12 at $3.3m and like 47th nationally. Head coach salary at $3.2m is 50th. Is it any wonder why CU ranks where it typically does in recruiting and therefore on field results?

Why hasn't Rick George figured out a way to invest another $1m to the Assistant Coaching pool, putting them in line with Utah and UCLA knowing full well the return on that investment over time will almost assuredly offset the extra cost?

Edit: Actually, CU's salary rankings are actually much lower than what I said with a ton of private schools that don't report, but are assuredly much higher than CU

Are these numbers reflective of KD and staff taking pay cuts because of the Vid? His salary and the AC budget was initially reported to be higher than this.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Are these numbers reflective of KD and staff taking pay cuts because of the Vid? His salary and the AC budget was initially reported to be higher than this.

No, I think the salaries listed in the links below are what they are, and do not account for any pay cuts due to COVID. KD's contract is $3.2m/year with $200k annual increases. I actually figured we were more middle of the road, but we are actually almost dead last in P5 in AC pool.

USA TODAY

sports.usatoday.com

Highest Paid College Football Coaches & Salaries - USA TODAY

Ever wondered who the highest paid coach in college football is? Find out today with USA TODAY's complete salary data.

sports.usatoday.com

 

[manhattanbuff]

No, I think the salaries listed in the links below are what they are, and do not account for any pay cuts due to COVID. KD's contract is $3.2m/year with $200k annual increases. I actually figured we were more middle of the road, but we are actually almost dead last in P5 in AC pool.

USA TODAY

sports.usatoday.com

Highest Paid College Football Coaches & Salaries - USA TODAY

Ever wondered who the highest paid coach in college football is? Find out today with USA TODAY's complete salary data.

sports.usatoday.com

Thanks. I misremembered because of the annualized amount.

 

[InTheBuff]

Is there a deadline to when one can enter the transfer portal?

 

[onealcd]

No, I think the salaries listed in the links below are what they are, and do not account for any pay cuts due to COVID. KD's contract is $3.2m/year with $200k annual increases. I actually figured we were more middle of the road, but we are actually almost dead last in P5 in AC pool.

USA TODAY

sports.usatoday.com

Highest Paid College Football Coaches & Salaries - USA TODAY

Ever wondered who the highest paid coach in college football is? Find out today with USA TODAY's complete salary data.

sports.usatoday.com

Yeah and arizona jumped up to 3.8 million this year after hiring fisch. So we are going to be 11th or 12th again

 

[wsp4820]

Is there a deadline to when one can enter the transfer portal?

Assuming that the no penalty for transferring rule passes as expected, I believe fall/winter sport players have to notify their school of the transfer by May 1 to be eligible for competition next season.

 

[ZKobalt]

Landman is returning

 

[SewallBeach]

Landman is returning

 

[Darth Snow]

 

[lvbuff]

Recruiting is a yes or no question. Does your staff have the resources (recruiting organization) and the people (ACs and support staff) who can secure commitments from really good players?

A good record is proof that you’re correct about the quality of your program, but it’s not necessary to make the case that recruits should come to your program.

A while back, I was the Finance Director for a BMW dealership in California. For years, the store sold 40-50 cars every month. A few months into me being there, the store hired a salesman who just moved to the area from Boston. In his first month in California, he sold 20 cars. He had no book of customers. He had no track record. No one knew him. We were all astounded. How did he do it?

He was a closer. He didn’t dawdle. He didn’t complain. He didn’t make excuses. He had a job: sell as many people BMWs as possible. And he did. The store went from selling 40-50 cars per month to 60-70 cars per month because of his expertise. He moved the needle for a small luxury car dealership.

Colorado used to have this same attitude about recruiting and we were one of the big dogs because of it. Then, we started to believe that we could do more with less starting with the Hawkins hire. We’ve been terrible ever since.

I was one of three F&I people at a Nissan dealership in Texas in the mid 80s. That dealership sold 380-420 cars per month. If we did not get max rate (18.00%), credit life, disability, warranty along with body glow, frame protection and interior protection we would get run off. Our back end was staggering. I think we averaged something like $3500.00

 

[manhattanbuff]

I was one of three F&I people at a Nissan dealership in Texas in the mid 80s. That dealership sold 380-420 cars per month. If we did not get max rate (18.00%), credit life, disability, warranty along with body glow, frame protection and interior protection we would get run off. Our back end was staggering. I think we averaged something like $3500.00

My counterparts in TX tell me that the owners of their client Ford dealerships have similar requirements. Northern VA and Maryland dealers don’t have those numbers.

 

[lvbuff]

My counterparts in TX tell me that the owners of their client Ford dealerships have similar requirements. Northern VA and Maryland dealers don’t have those numbers.

My real employer was Karl Singer. Old Republic Life

 

[MtnBuff]

It's late so my brain isn't giving me names right now but I recall a number of very successful coaches both football and basketball who ended their athletic careers, went into sales or marketing, were very successful but wanted to get back into sports so returned to coaching, often giving up a lot money, at least in the short term to do it.

Locally Tad Boyle fits that description as a guy who was successfully selling commodities before earning his way through the coaching ranks starting at the high school level.

Cleveland Browns Head Coach Freddy Kitchens was actually a very successful car salesman before getting into coaching. He is in the pros but I'd be willing to bet that if he ends up at the college level he will be an excellent recruiter.

 

[BuffsNYC]

It's late so my brain isn't giving me names right now but I recall a number of very successful coaches both football and basketball who ended their athletic careers, went into sales or marketing, were very successful but wanted to get back into sports so returned to coaching, often giving up a lot money, at least in the short term to do it.

Locally Tad Boyle fits that description as a guy who was successfully selling commodities before earning his way through the coaching ranks starting at the high school level.

Cleveland Browns Head Coach Freddy Kitchens was actually a very successful car salesman before getting into coaching. He is in the pros but I'd be willing to bet that if he ends up at the college level he will be an excellent recruiter.

Didn't Joe Harrington "retire" to sell insurance or something?

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

 

[wsp4820]

This is a surprise.

 

[ZKobalt]

Woah

 

[Bread]

Woah

This is not true. 1) The tweet fails to mention that the direct quote listed below says IF all the defensive starters come back. 2) I know it’s false from personal discussions.

 

[241Volcanos]

This is not true. 1) The tweet fails to mention that the direct quote listed below says IF all the defensive starters come back. 2) I know it’s false from personal discussions.

Where would any of them go?

 

[Bread]

Where would any of them go?

The one I'm aware of leaving is going to shoot for the league.