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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
I'm translating that as: "We are going to be OK, not great. No one all that good wants to join us, and we aren't excited about any expansion opportunities. We are going to remain a tier 2 conference as far as I know. Hopefully the improvements in scheduling, the pac 12 network, and cost reductions let us keep the P12 together and maybe make us a tier 1.5 conference."
Using the same source I posted above (total appearances in the CFP rankings) which also includes the highest the teams have been ranked, I just counted the number of teams per conference that made an appearance in the rankings, and also the number of teams that made it into the top 10.
| # Ranked | # top 10 | |
| SEC | 13 | 9 |
| ACC | 13 | 4 |
| B1G | 10 | 9 |
| B12 | 8 | 7 |
| P12 | 10 | 10 |
While the P12 has not done well competing for #1 during the CFP years, it's BS to say that the conference isn't good at football.
10 of the 12 teams have been in the top 10 of the playoff rankings.
Guess which two have not been?
Cal - and what's really surprising is that they haven't even gotten into the top 25, let alone the top 10
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Not really since fox won’t be nearly as interested in the big 12 anymore and those rights are moving directly to espn. Fox will have more cash flow going forward.
BUFFS14
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All posturing, not showing weakness or in a panic.
Who knows on whats going behind the scene.
Ok, but that doesn't really mean the Pac 12 is going to be the benefactors of that cash flow by default
Exactly how I interpreted that as well. PAC-12 has no position of "strength" here lol
really hard to say what would move the needle for the p12. looking at the ratings for the games of the left behind 8, the p12 would likely deliver MORE eyeballs than they already have, so that means you are dliluting the per team revenue if you bring some or all of the left behind to the pac.
the pac would get more time zones, which is theoretically helpful for when the teams are shown on tv. but it is hard to say that benefit would offset the revenue dilution issue.
i think the best move for the p12 for now may be to stay at 12 and hope they can deliver more playoff appearances and therefore earn a better tv contract in the next round. maybe. without expanding footprint and brining in teams that bring in high ratings, it is hard to say.
This.
The P12, as a conference, doesn't have a lot of moves available. About the only move the conference really has is some sort of alliance with the B1G.
Now, some individual schools and/or certain groupings of schools in the P12 probably have a lot more options than the conference does as a whole.
It’s does though. It’s a simple supply demand situation. He is saying that consolidation ups the price for the pac 12 tv rights which it absolutely does.
Or sends more to the B1G. Why would Fox allocate more money to the Pac 12 when nothing is changing with Pac 12 ratings?
Having a presence in Texas definitely helps the conference compete on the national level though. Just look at the recruits SMU has been able to land recently in a G5 conference. Handing the SEC the entire state of texas seems like a disaster for the rest of the country over the long term. It’s not impossible to recruit that area but it will be a lot harder.
It will likely do both. They will allocate more money to the pac 12 because they need more inventory to show on their networks because they lost a bunch of inventory due to the big 12 changes.
It will likely do both. They will allocate more money to the pac 12 because they need more inventory to show on their networks because they lost a bunch of inventory due to the big 12 changes.
FlatironsBuff
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I’d go with 20 PAC.
The 20 pack McNugget Conference? At least they have Buffalo sauce dip packets.
lawyers and money for sure. I was questioning the guns part, but then I remembered this is SEC vs XII.
Speculation on my part so take it for what it’s worth, but the PAC is now the only P5 conference West of the Mississippi (yeah, I know there are a couple teams here and there, but the conferences themselves are all mostly East Coast now). From a media standpoint, we probably just became a lot more attractive. Hell, the MWC probably did, too.
Much as in: Do they add at least as much as they cost?
I don't know what annual payout we're heading towards for the next TV rights period but we're currently at 35m or so. Let's aim for 40-45m (or is that too ambitious?), does adding say TTU and TCU (because **** Baylor) add at least 80m per year to our TV deal and if it doesn't how much is a presence in Texas worth per year?
With A&M and UT the SEC will pretty much own the state anyway as depending on whether you put A&M in one tier with UT or not the remaining teams are at best second tier if not third tier.
is the magic conference number really 16?
i am curious about that...
sec will be at 16
big is at 14
p12
acc = 14 (plus the nd alliance)
and then there is the left behind from the b12.
maybe west virginia could go to the acc. maybe CU and ku to the big 10?
this **** is staggeringly difficult to flesh out. i just know for sure we aren't in any kind of power position. we are tier 2. the whole left behind 8 is tier 3 (except maybe ku for their bb). acc is clemson and the dwarves. baylor will do anything to avoid getting totally ****ed. usc could go independent?
I like your reasoning, but I also think there simply isn't enough interest in college sports in the Western US to increase the Pac-12's value notably.
Doesn’t really have to be. There’s enough interest across the country for late games. One of the sources of those games has just been taken off the table.
As onealcd said, and something I didn't really think about, having to fill the prime FOX game slots that used to be filled by Texas and OU should mean an increase in revenue to the Pac 12. However, on a relative basis, the Pac 12 likely won't gain a ton of ground on the B1G or SEC in that regard as ESPN is going all in with SEC and FOX will likely give a lot of the Big 12 money to the B1G.
Where does CBS eventually fit into all this? I think the Pac 12 and B1G need to make a big push for that distribution as well as soon as their tier 1 rights with SEC expire.
BUFFS14
Well-Known Member
Agreed, after reading all the options I am not sure what way I feel comfortable in going. I dont think picking up any of the 8 leftovers is a great idea. I dont like the idea of expanding for the sake of expanding. I think I would like to see a merger of some kind with the B1G. Get some keynote games between the conferences carried by Fox to get the TV money up!
I think it is definitely possible. It could also add value to the other members. Having only 2 power conference teams in Texas (OU had a huge presence in there too) is way too light, imo. It is a long term play on those schools to take them to another level in what I would say is the biggest football state in the country. Getting programs like oregon, Washington, usc and ucla in front of those people on a yearly basis is also going to help them tremendously so it’s not only about what those schools mean individually.
now I'm not following your logic.
East coast and CTZ teams are happy to play games w/ 8PM ET/CT kickoffs.
we've discussed ad nauseum on this board how the Pac's "late night" strategy of 8PM MT/PT games wasn't working.
but you're seemingly suggesting the Pac is getting stronger because no one else can provide 8PM MT games?
We’re thinking about this wrong - the Pac12 should be bold right now and here’s what they should do:
Offer Pac12 membership to Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.
We control our own destiny by creating a 20 team conference that allows the BIG to move west which is the path of growth in this country, and leave behind Maryland and Rutgers. The BIG is in the power seat because they have the lucrative media deal, but that money follows those programs west.
They lose a couple rivalries:
lilbuck trophy (Illinois/tOSU)
Old Brass Spittoon (Indiana/MSU)
George Jewett Trophy (Michigan/NW)
But they have like 30 rivalry trophies and no one cares about these 3.
Time for the new commish to be bold!!
Offer Pac12 membership to Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.
We control our own destiny by creating a 20 team conference that allows the BIG to move west which is the path of growth in this country, and leave behind Maryland and Rutgers. The BIG is in the power seat because they have the lucrative media deal, but that money follows those programs west.
They lose a couple rivalries:
lilbuck trophy (Illinois/tOSU)
Old Brass Spittoon (Indiana/MSU)
George Jewett Trophy (Michigan/NW)
But they have like 30 rivalry trophies and no one cares about these 3.
Time for the new commish to be bold!!