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Accountability

Not Sure said:
We have had the discussion here on the difference between blame and responsibility. We can lay the blame for that festering pile of **** we saw yesterday squarely at the feet of Darren Chiavarini. The person responsible for fixing it is Karl Dorrell. If he’s unable to do so, then the person responsible for fixing that problem becomes Rick George.
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This is the root of the whole thing.

Chev is the symptom, KD is the issue. He is the one who gets the big checks, he is the one with his name on the letterhead, he is the one who after the season is over gets the blame or the credit.

If there is resistance from above him to making changes with Chev then KD needs to lay down his line and force it to happen.

At the same time ultimately this all falls on KD and RG needs to hold him accountable. The issues with coaching responsibility matter, bigger are the issues with recruiting.

Unfortunately nobody above RG cares enough to hold him accountable.
 
Dorrell is accountable for assembling his staff. It appears the head coach, QB coach, and OC all have different backgrounds and philosophies on what offensive identity they want. It’s a staff totally at odds with itself, and this is the result.

I don’t think Chev will get a pink slip during the season. Dorrell has options, though. He can yank playcalling from Chev and take it over himself or give it to Langsdorf. Of the three, Langsdorf has the best track record at being an OC. Dorrell was absolutely horrible as an OC at Vanderbilt and was fired after one season.*

Moving forward into the offseason, the best we could hope is that Chev is let go (I agree he would be both overpaid and toxic if he remained), and Dorrell hires an up and coming OC and gives him autonomy to assemble his own assistants on that side of the ball. I wonder if Dorrell will cede that much control. I also wonder how much input Dorrell already has in the offensive philosophy and game plan. His quote when he was hired that “he will help Chev become the best OC he can be” makes me wonder if he’s not already heavily involved.

*From Vanderbilt write up at Dorrell’s dismissal:
Dorrell was the architect of an offense that failed to crack the top 100 in most meaningful statistical categories. Lubick oversaw a group of wideouts that gained fewer than 100 yards per game through the air for the 'Dores. Even in generous terms, the Vandy offense was a dumpster fire in 2014.
Sound familiar?
 
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Creebuzz said:
Dorrell is accountable for assembling his staff. It appears the head coach, QB coach, and OC all have different backgrounds and philosophies on what offensive identity they want. It’s a staff totally at odds with itself, and this is the result.

I don’t think Chev will get a pink slip during the season. Dorrell has options, though. He can yank playcalling from Chev and take it over himself or give it to Langsdorf. Of the three, Langsdorf has the best track record at being an OC. Dorrell was absolutely horrible as an OC at Vanderbilt and was fired after one season.

Moving forward into the offseason, the best we could hope is that Chev is let go (I agree he would be both overpaid and toxic if he remained), and Dorrell hires an up and coming OC and gives him autonomy to assemble his own assistants on that side of the ball. I wonder if Dorrell will cede that much control. I also wonder how much input Dorrell already has in the offensive philosophy and game plan. His quote when he was hired that “he will help Chev become the best OC he can be” makes me wonder if he’s not already heavily involved.
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I don’t see enough calling out coach sled as the most mind boggling hire by KD. Maybe Chev was forced on him but Rod was, I’m assuming, completely voluntary
 
Mr. Babar said:
Never like to root for someone to lose a job, but this thread is spot on. You cannot have duds three games in a row, including a <100 yard total offense day against a middle of the road P5 team, and not have something change.
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Unfortunately, the duds go back farther than three games.


 
Uncle Ken said:
I was the maintenance officer in a squadron once, when a good Sailor, with the best intentions made a mistake (completed maintenance he wasn't authorized to perform anymore in order to get an aircraft back home). I was really struggling to pull his quals, because, again a good Sailor with good intentions.

The Wing Maintenance Officer pulled me aside. The Wing MO was a 30-year LDO Commander, who appears to have been surviving only on coffee and cigarettes for most of his career.

He said, "Uncle Ken. The entire squadron is watching you right now to see how you'll respond. They need you to hold this Sailor accountable. And the person who needs you to hold him accountable the most, is the Sailor himself."

He was right. I'll say it again: Healthy organizations hold each other accountable to standards.
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I truly appreciate your focus on accountability and sharing a story from your past.

I had a similar leadership challenge that I, unfortunately, failed.

I was a young LT and had a senior enlisted Sailor with a drinking problem. But I failed that Sailor and my other Sailors by not addressing it head on, because I was scared that I couldn’t do my job without him. It is a regret that I carry to this day.

I was fortunate (?) enough to have another chance many years later that I handled much better. It was not easy, and I don’t truthfully know how things turned out for the Sailor long term, but I can live with myself, knowing that I did the best I could for him and for the other Sailors in the unit.
 
Go with the times or get left behind.

But then that clown employs guys who think it goes beyond recruiting. **** off.
 
Master Blaster said:
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kd kinda has to take away play calling from chev at this point. if he doesn't he will lose the defense, right? and they aren't doing b-lew any favors by sticking to this script.

that would be minimum standard of accountability. i don't expect a lot more at this time but i do expect kd to show something here. we're definitely on the brink.

i'd rather try to run the option than see any more ****ty play calls from a ****ty play book, executed very poorly by the offense individually and as a whole.

that was a historically horrible loss. it requires more than platitudes and coach speak.
 
Liver said:
kd kinda has to take away play calling from chev at this point. if he doesn't he will lose the defense, right? and they aren't doing b-lew any favors by sticking to this script.

that would be minimum standard of accountability. i don't expect a lot more at this time but i do expect kd to show something here. we're definitely on the brink.

i'd rather try to run the option than see any more ****ty play calls from a ****ty play book, executed very poorly by the offense individually and as a whole.

that was a historically horrible loss. it requires more than platitudes and coach speak.
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The vast majority of this is on Dorrell/Chev, but Lewis has to own some of this too. He's not ready for this level-and its showing in his play, and yet a lot of you want to give him a free pass. Again-release too slow. Struggles to make decisions/read defenses. Doesn't understand simple situational stuff like don't throw it short of the sticks on 3rd and long or 4th down-he did that at least twice against A&M by my count, and should not be exempt from criticism here.

And somehow there are a lot of you want to do exactly that.
 
ahoelsken said:
The vast majority of this is on Dorrell/Chev, but Lewis has to own some of this too. He's not ready for this level-and its showing in his play, and yet a lot of you want to give him a free pass. Again-release too slow. Struggles to make decisions/read defenses. Doesn't understand simple situational stuff like don't throw it short of the sticks on 3rd and long or 4th down-he did that at least twice against A&M by my count, and should not be exempt from criticism here.

And somehow there are a lot of you want to do exactly that.
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He has not been very good. I agree. I think that the question is why is not playing any near his supposed potential
 
SBP said:
He has not been very good. I agree. I think that the question is why is not playing any near his supposed potential
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Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
 
ahoelsken said:
Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
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This.
 
ahoelsken said:
Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
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Makes sense…I was certainly hoping for more especially given his performance vs Texas. But I understand that new players without pressure can sleepwalk to success. I guess it is up to the coaches to keep that going
 
ahoelsken said:
Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
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He’s a consensus 3* recruit, which says that he should be a project. Not sure why that would make you hate recruiting ranking.
 
Back to Accountability - The ball is solidly in KD's court and if he does nothing he loses some of this team, some of the fan base, and eventually his job. With a lot of work and some luck the CU program could eventually be Iowa State; with continued lack of attention to detail DURING THE FOOTBALL GAMES the CU program can quickly become New Mexico.
 
ahoelsken said:
Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
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Well then it’s a good thing we brought in a staff that knows how to coach em up! If they’re not recruiting, they better be above average coaches - I look forward to that payoff eventually.
 
ahoelsken said:
Why I hate recruiting rankings summed up in one word. Simple on Lewis-he's a lot more of a project than a fair amount of this fanbase wants to admit. BTW-if you follow recruiting, I highly recommend getting an NFHS (national federation of high schools) account. Its $70 for the year, and you can watch pretty much any high school game in any sport you want. I use it a lot more for basketball-but I went back and watched a couple of Lewis' high school games, and that's what I saw.
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Do you have a link to the videos after you make an account?
 
For the majority of my life, CU Football has been largely irrelevant and pretty bad. But I sat and watched through the Hawkins and Embree years and still had all the passion and love in the world. I still do, but this is the first time as a fan where I really feel beaten down. I will continue going to every home game, but we canceled our plans to go to LA for that game after what we saw Saturday. This somehow feels worse than the last year of Embree. I am just so tired of this team constantly taking 1 step forward and 5 steps backward.
 
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Not Sure said:
Thing is, had we played close and lost on a fluke play, nobody would be calling for anybody’s job. We’d be pissed off, but we wouldn’t be headhunting. That offensive performance was so bad it demands action. You absolutely cannot allow that kind of thing to happen.
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Which is probably why it will happen...this is CU we're talking about.
 
ahoelsken said:
The vast majority of this is on Dorrell/Chev, but Lewis has to own some of this too. He's not ready for this level-and its showing in his play, and yet a lot of you want to give him a free pass. Again-release too slow. Struggles to make decisions/read defenses. Doesn't understand simple situational stuff like don't throw it short of the sticks on 3rd and long or 4th down-he did that at least twice against A&M by my count, and should not be exempt from criticism here.

And somehow there are a lot of you want to do exactly that.
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And who is supposed to be in charge of his learning and understanding of all those things, hmmmm?
 
Bread said:
For the majority of my life, CU Football has been largely irrelevant and pretty bad. But I sat and watched through the Hawkins and Embree years and still had all the passion and love in the world. I still do, but this is the first time as a fan where I really feel beaten down. I will continue going to every home game, but we canceled our plans to go the LA for that game after what we say Saturday. This somehow feels worse than the last year of Embree. I am just so tired of this team constantly taking 1 step forward and 5 steps backward.
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I feel more beaten down also, and I'm not sure why. I've endured some tough times as a fan.
 
Uncle Ken said:
I feel more beaten down also, and I'm not sure why. I've endured some tough times as a fan.
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For me, it's that I don't really see anything that tells me this is going to get better. People have been giving a lot of props to KD for hiring Wilson, but that was an internal hire. He didn't go and get someone other teams wanted. And the Defense has been good, but certainly not great. Offense is a dumpster fire. Not a single positive there. And how does that get fixed? No recruit currently committed seems like they will do that and no one is being "coached up".
 
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