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Travis Hunter Appreciation Thread (Awards: HE12MAN, Walter Camp, Biletnikoff, Bednarik, Lott, Paul Hornung, AP PotY)

The Alabaster Yak said:
The comments are gross. A lot of “what else is he going to do with his life” type of stuff and it shows how little people know about him
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Yeah, it's unfortunate how few people can imagine the possibility that a young, smart, hard working black man with a college degree has good career options beyond playing sports ball.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Recency bias? Is Shedeur not objectively the best passing QB CU has ever had, including Stewart, Hagan, Sal, Klatt, Detmer, Sefo, Hansen, Hawkins, etc? It’s not the most storied QB program, but he cleared all single season records and many career records in two seasons.

The broader point is that even from a statistical standpoint, he is among the program’s elite players, but he has meant so much more to CU’s program than people seem to want to give him credit for. Perhaps if this was 5 years from now and CU is a perennial CFP program and has a Natty, people would understand just how impactful he was in (re) building the program.

On the player Mt Rushmore of the program, he doesn’t quite make the cut, but he’s probably first 2-4 out from making it.
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He is arguably the third best qb in CU history. Neither of the others have their number retired. Hagan meant more to the program due to the national title and while wasn’t a better thrower was a better overall qb in a different style of offense. Pure magic. Stewart was better because he could kill a team with his feet or his arm. Though I would say he didn’t mean as much to the program as Shadeur. Either way, they both deserve retirement of their number since Shadeur’s is being retired.
 
Hagan deserves to have his number retired. I'm not as sold on Stewart in this case and I'd put SS2 ahead of Stewart in CU's all-time QB rankings.

Hagan is #1 in my book because he stepped up at that position after Sal died and led the Buffs to the National Championship. Again, why is his number not retired?
 
CitizenKane said:
He is arguably the third best qb in CU history. Neither of the others have their number retired. Hagan meant more to the program due to the national title and while wasn’t a better thrower was a better overall qb in a different style of offense. Pure magic. Stewart was better because he could kill a team with his feet or his arm. Though I would say he didn’t mean as much to the program as Shadeur. Either way, they both deserve retirement of their number since Shadeur’s is being retired.
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Now put Shedeur on the '90 and '94 teams
 
Bison said:
Hagan deserves to have his number retired. I'm not as sold on Stewart in this case and I'd put SS2 ahead of Stewart in CU's all-time QB rankings.

Hagan is #1 in my book because he stepped up at that position after Sal died and led the Buffs to the National Championship. Again, why is his number not retired?
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I put slash higher because of his running ability. No doubt Shadeur is a better passer. The other reason I have slash higher is the number of games he won at CU. At that time it took CU from a feel good natty winner to a national powerhouse who ended up being ranked in the top 20 for more than 24 years straight. Slash took great and made it consistently great. I know not a fair comparison though as CU had so many unbelievable players then. Thus the arguably in my other post.
 
Buffnik said:
Depends on how long "a while" is. I think the poor history of not honoring former players in a timely way is the root of the annoyance being expressed by program alums. I think Mason had been in the NFL over a decade before they got around to him. Salaam was honored posthumously, for crissakes.
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Yup, there's a happy medium; and neither the spring game following their final games, nor 20+ years/posthumously is it.

I'd say 5 years after their last game, they're eligible for consideration.

That said, I'm less bothered by doing it immediately than I am by it being posthumous.
 
Robert Sorell said:
Yup, there's a happy medium; and neither the spring game following their final games, nor 20+ years/posthumously is it.

I'd say 5 years after their last game, they're eligible for consideration.

That said, I'm less bothered by doing it immediately than I am by it being posthumous.
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Heisman winner is 1 year
Special players 2 years
Regular consideration 3 years
Veterans committee could also look at past guys
Just have a process and it cannot be 5 days and do not do it at Spring games
 
I didn’t get to listen to all of it, but I heard a former NFL player saying that Travis’s biggest problem with playing two ways in the NFL is the off the field stuff more than snaps played. Meetings are more often and longer, and usually offense and defense as well as position groups meet at the same time. Coaches are not going to be willing to a) change the schedule around or b) let a guy be a full part of their game plan if he’s not in all the meetings and practices, which is why every coach in the league is going to want him to focus on one side of the ball and only have a package on the other.
 
Alfred91 said:
I didn’t get to listen to all of it, but I heard a former NFL player saying that Travis’s biggest problem with playing two ways in the NFL is the off the field stuff more than snaps played. Meetings are more often and longer, and usually offense and defense as well as position groups meet at the same time. Coaches are not going to be willing to a) change the schedule around or b) let a guy be a full part of their game plan if he’s not in all the meetings and practices, which is why every coach in the league is going to want him to focus on one side of the ball and only have a package on the other.
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That's the best explanation I've heard as to why he can't play both ways. Hopefully Travis's talent and potential will convince some coashes that it's worth working around schedules a bit.
 
Tony G. said:
That's the best explanation I've heard as to why he can't play both ways. Hopefully Travis's talent and potential will convince some coashes that it's worth working around schedules a bit.
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This could end up being a case where the CBA works against a particular player's interests.
 
Alfred91 said:
I didn’t get to listen to all of it, but I heard a former NFL player saying that Travis’s biggest problem with playing two ways in the NFL is the off the field stuff more than snaps played. Meetings are more often and longer, and usually offense and defense as well as position groups meet at the same time. Coaches are not going to be willing to a) change the schedule around or b) let a guy be a full part of their game plan if he’s not in all the meetings and practices, which is why every coach in the league is going to want him to focus on one side of the ball and only have a package on the other.
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They will learn that Travis is just built different - mentally as well as physically. So focused on the things he values that he doesn't allow distractions. For example, first time I have ever heard an athlete not be able to discuss his favorite musical artists and respond with, "I never really listened to music but I like so-and-so after my fiancé started playing their stuff." If he wants to be great at CB and WR, don't stand in his way by applying what you think is normal to Travis. The young man is an absolute unicorn.
 
He'll get to do it depending on where he goes. This dude isn't normal. Only ones in my lifetime would be our very own Coach Prime and Charles Woodson. They are the only ones I remember anyway.
 
Corey Trevorson said:
Best QB in CU history doesn't deserve it? Wild. Huge hand in turning this thing around, all kinds of records on the field, incalculable impact off the field
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I’m fairly agnostic about this whole thing, except for an adverse reaction to the suddenness and neediness of it all.

His history and impact aren’t going anywhere. I think it would be great at a ceremony down the road—have some perspective and nostalgia about it all.

The social media rush to do everything now wears thin pretty quick.
 
Buffnik said:
They will learn that Travis is just built different - mentally as well as physically. So focused on the things he values that he doesn't allow distractions. For example, first time I have ever heard an athlete not be able to discuss his favorite musical artists and respond with, "I never really listened to music but I like so-and-so after my fiancé started playing their stuff." If he wants to be great at CB and WR, don't stand in his way by applying what you think is normal to Travis. The young man is an absolute unicorn.
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10000000%.

Everybody after the Heisman said that his season was mid. We show them stats. Then he became a Jokic-style stat padder and “snaps aren’t a stat.”

Then, former great players say that they could not have played FT both ways. Then they said that the mountain less is equivalent to the Big XII. Then they said that he isn’t the best corner or WR in the draft. Now every analyst who knows anything has him as WR #1 AND CB #1.

So here we are… people limiting this young man again.

The reason why he chose Prime is because, like Prime, THun does not have limiting beliefs. He can do whatever he sets his mind to do. He operates with superior achievement as his default. All the other mediocre people just don’t get it.
 
manhattanbuff said:
10000000%.

Everybody after the Heisman said that his season was mid. We show them stats. Then he became a Jokic-style stat padder and “snaps aren’t a stat.”

Then, former great players say that they could not have played FT both ways. Then they said that the mountain less is equivalent to the Big XII. Then they said that he isn’t the best corner or WR in the draft. Now every analyst who knows anything has him as WR #1 AND CB #1.

So here we are… people limiting this young man again.

The reason why he chose Prime is because, like Prime, THun does not have limiting beliefs. He can do whatever he sets his mind to do. He operates with superior achievement as his default. All the other mediocre people just don’t get it.
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He doesn't give two shvts man, he's self motivated.
 
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