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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)

Anonymous NFL assistant, as reported by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."

 
Anonymous NFL assistant, as reported by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."

None of these guys will put their name on it. Not surprising but very lame.
 
Anonymous NFL assistant, as reported by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."

The slander has been on overdrive recently
 
Anonymous NFL assistant, as reported by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."


Meh, so one assistant coach has a bad opinion of Shedeur. Out of what, some 300 assistant coaches in the NFL?
 
Anonymous NFL assistant, as reported by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero:

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good."

That quote reads like the guy has personal feelings involved. Kind of sounds like a bitch too.
 
Many mock drafts have Shedeur falling out of the first round.

Yahoo sports has Ward to Titans, Dart to Saints, and Milroe to the Steelers.


CBS Sports has the Giants trading for a second first rounder at #29 and taking Dart.


However, I’d say majority have Shedeur going to the Steelers at #21, including Brendan Donahue who has been the most accurate prognosticator on the draft.

 
Any team that picks Dart or Milroe over Sanders needs to fire their entire front office. One of the most important factors about college QB’s is number of games played, experience. Shedeur has more than either of those 2 guys and I think that matters. If a guy like Justin Fields had stayed at OSU another year he would probably be a much better QB. Instead he’s bordering on being a journeyman switching teams every 2-3 years. The hate for Sanders is unwarranted.
 
That quote reads like the guy has personal feelings involved. Kind of sounds like a bitch too.
Good comments:

"Consider the context. The media outlet owned and operated by the NFL allowed this quote to be published and promoted. Pelissero offered anonymity to someone who has very strong feelings about Sanders. Without knowing who it is, it’s impossible to even begin to effectively rebut the viewpoint that was shared. In my own on-the-record opinion, it’s has no place in any media, especially not media owned by the league.

People should be upset. They should speak out. And not just about the content of the quote, but about the fact that the NFL gave that quote credibility by giving it oxygen.

One person who is upset about the quote also works for NFL Media. On Wednesday’s Good Morning Football, Kyle Brandt went off on the anonymous bashing of Sanders.

“I’m in my feelings about this right now,” Brandt said. “Maybe it’s because the draft is tomorrow. . . . ‘The worst formal interview I’ve ever been in my life. He’s so entitled, horrible body [language], he’s not that’ — shut up, anonymous coach. I am so triggered by this. Shut up. This is not only anonymous, I think it’s tasteless. I think the timing is ridiculous. ‘The worst formal interview I’ve ever. . . .’ Is it really? Is it, or are you just going for a headline? Or maybe have you not been in that many interviews in your career? ‘This is the worst one ever’? Or maybe, maybe the vibe that you set in the room was critical, and Shedeur picked up on that. And maybe he was right, because the first second you could, you betrayed the sanctity of that room and went anonymously and started spouting off about this player. ‘He’s so entitled.’ I see entitlement in a grown professional who is going around anonymously destroying young athletes with very personal quotes anonymously as they’re about to realize their dream and become professionals."
 
It all reeks of jealousy to me. These coaches and scouts have had college kids bend the knee for decades because they we gatekeepers to money and success. Now elite college athletes come in having already made more than these anonymous coaches and scouts could ever dream of making.
 
What kind of attitude would you want from a potential college QB pick, confident bordering on cocky or, “I’m hoping to fit in, learn and be a team player?”
 
Good comments:

"Consider the context. The media outlet owned and operated by the NFL allowed this quote to be published and promoted. Pelissero offered anonymity to someone who has very strong feelings about Sanders. Without knowing who it is, it’s impossible to even begin to effectively rebut the viewpoint that was shared. In my own on-the-record opinion, it’s has no place in any media, especially not media owned by the league.

People should be upset. They should speak out. And not just about the content of the quote, but about the fact that the NFL gave that quote credibility by giving it oxygen.

One person who is upset about the quote also works for NFL Media. On Wednesday’s Good Morning Football, Kyle Brandt went off on the anonymous bashing of Sanders.

I’m in my feelings about this right now,” Brandt said. “Maybe it’s because the draft is tomorrow. . . . ‘The worst formal interview I’ve ever been in my life. He’s so entitled, horrible body [language], he’s not that’ — shut up, anonymous coach. I am so triggered by this. Shut up. This is not only anonymous, I think it’s tasteless. I think the timing is ridiculous. ‘The worst formal interview I’ve ever. . . .’ Is it really? Is it, or are you just going for a headline? Or maybe have you not been in that many interviews in your career? ‘This is the worst one ever’? Or maybe, maybe the vibe that you set in the room was critical, and Shedeur picked up on that. And maybe he was right, because the first second you could, you betrayed the sanctity of that room and went anonymously and started spouting off about this player. ‘He’s so entitled.’ I see entitlement in a grown professional who is going around anonymously destroying young athletes with very personal quotes anonymously as they’re about to realize their dream and become professionals."

If you dont have anything good to say dont say anything at all”.

It kind of feels pretty cheap. Maybe designed to lower his draft position by getting a couple of teams to think twice? Which becomes more believable if there was already a whiff of something to begin with.

What we think we will not matter. He will get drafted and he will get his chance to prove if he can or can not play in the NFL.
 
The only thing you need to consider is that the CFB world and NFL analysts LOVED Johnny Football. Maybe not everyone loved how he would translate to the NFL game, but everyone loved his attitude and showmanship. He had the money hand signal that everybody loved at the time in the same way Shedeur had his watch celebration.

JF final college season - 70% - 4,114 yards 37 TDs 13 INTs - Record of 9-4 (won Chic-Fil-A bowl)

S2 final college season - 74% - 4,134 yards 37 TDs 10 INTs - Record of 9-4 (lost Alamo bowl)

Obviously Manziel had a Heisman season the year before with worse passing numbers but he ran for 1400 and 21 TDs which is pretty ridiculous, but their final seasons were almost identical. Manziel added 700 yards rushing and like 9 TDs while Shedeur was net negative due to sacks with 4 rushing TDs.

Why was Manziel universally loved and thought of as "fun and exciting" and Shedeur is getting **** on by most of the country? Hmmmm wonder why?
 
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Why was Manziel universally loved and thought of as "fun and exciting" and Shedeur is getting **** on by most of the country? Hmmmm wonder why?
first, I have no recollection of how Manziel was reported by the media and perceived by the public, nor can I comment over whether he's a valid comparison or an example of cherry picking.

that said, my take, SS's public image is very much tied to his father's. Discussed in another thread, HCDS is polarizing. On top of that, HCDS has been doing a great job (maybe too good?) of gathering the spotlight to himself, CU and his kids, keeping those topics on the front pages of sports reporting for a few years now.

so, I think the ****ting on that you're seeing is a result of the combined public fatigue with polarization of his father, who Shedeur is very much coupled to in the public eye.

I suspect others will just say "racism", which is likely also a factor.
 
The only thing you need to consider is that the CFB world and NFL analysts LOVED Johnny Football. Maybe not everyone loved how he would translate to the NFL game, but everyone loved his attitude and showmanship. He had the money hand signal that everybody loved at the time in the same way Shedeur had his watch celebration.

JF final college season - 70% - 4,114 yards 37 TDs 13 INTs - Record of 9-4 (won Chic-Fil-A bowl)

S2 final college season - 74% - 4,134 yards 37 TDs 10 INTs - Record of 9-4 (lost Alamo bowl)

Obviously Manziel had a Heisman season the year before with worse passing numbers but he ran for 1400 and 21 TDs which is pretty ridiculous, but their final seasons were almost identical. Manziel added 700 yards rushing and like 9 TDs while Shedeur was net negative due to sacks with 4 rushing TDs.

Why was Manziel universally loved and thought of as "fun and exciting" and Shedeur is getting **** on by most of the country? Hmmmm wonder why?
This is a convenient reshaping of the Manziel narrative. Manziel had red flags all over his prospect reports. The only difference is he was playing in a higher profile league and had a few impressive wins. Their college careers were just two different situations and I think JM's gave him a bit more of a media darling type. However, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows when talking about putting your money where your mouth is - the NFL draft prospect reports.

Manziel was listed as a risk by true scouts and the charlatan talking heads like McShay. Remember the Bill Bellichik leak?

Manziel fell to late first round, like it looks like SS will. So to say there are different vibes around them isn't necessary accurate.

SS is >>>>>> Manziel as a pro prospect, but I can understand the red flags. I am just betting he performs better out of his dad's protection. I think he steps up and grows up as long as he has some patience.

SS did a lot for the CU program, but I think its better for his and CP's careers that it won't be father-son out there.
 
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first, I have no recollection of how Manziel was reported by the media and perceived by the public, nor can I comment over whether he's a valid comparison or an example of cherry picking.

that said, my take, SS's public image is very much tied to his father's. Discussed in another thread, HCDS is polarizing. On top of that, HCDS has been doing a great job (maybe too good?) of gathering the spotlight to himself, CU and his kids, keeping those topics on the front pages of sports reporting for a few years now.

so, I think the ****ting on that you're seeing is a result of the combined public fatigue with polarization of his father, who Shedeur is very much coupled to in the public eye.

I suspect others will just say "racism", which is likely also a factor.
Bruv, all you had to type was the word highlighted in red above.
 
first, I have no recollection of how Manziel was reported by the media and perceived by the public, nor can I comment over whether he's a valid comparison or an example of cherry picking.

that said, my take, SS's public image is very much tied to his father's. Discussed in another thread, HCDS is polarizing. On top of that, HCDS has been doing a great job (maybe too good?) of gathering the spotlight to himself, CU and his kids, keeping those topics on the front pages of sports reporting for a few years now.

so, I think the ****ting on that you're seeing is a result of the combined public fatigue with polarization of his father, who Shedeur is very much coupled to in the public eye.

I suspect others will just say "racism", which is likely also a factor.
I think if you take it one step further, much (most, all?) of the angst about Prime is rooted in racism too.

There's a small element of it being just about Deion coming across as a braggart, but again that being perceived so negatively tends to be driven by race.

It's turtles all the way down
 
This is a convenient reshaping of the Manziel narrative. Manziel had red flags all over his prospect reports. The only difference is he was playing in a higher profile league and had a few impressive wins. Their college careers were just two different situations and I think JM's gave him a bit more of a media darling type. However, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows when talking about putting your money where your mouth is - the NFL draft prospect reports.

Manziel was listed as a risk by true scouts and the charlatan talking heads like McShay. Remember the Bill Bellichik leak?

Manziel fell to late first round, like it looks like SS will. So to say there are different vibes around them are different.

SS is >>>>>> Manziel as a pro prospect, but I can understand the red flags. I am just betting he performs better out of his dad's protection. I think he steps up and grows up as long as he has some patience.

SS did a lot for the CU program, but I think its better for his and CP's careers that it won't be father-son out there.
What are the red flags with Shedeur?
 
What are the red flags with Shedeur?
God forbid, he has the audacity to believe in himself. Honestly, I would rather get picked later, the teams picking in the first 10 slots are horrible, later teams like the Broncos aren’t looking to fill massive holes. He’ll be more successful if he goes 20 or later in the first round. Pittsburgh would be the ideal spot for him, great organization.
 
He takes sacks. And some bulljunk about arm strength. All this crap is either mass racism or a smoke screen. Either way, 90% of these "draft experts" and scouts are sh!tty at their jobs and it's proven every year.

Watch, the Giants will take him at #3.
I get the feeling he wasn’t tallking about play. Which is why I was asking.
 
This is a convenient reshaping of the Manziel narrative. Manziel had red flags all over his prospect reports. The only difference is he was playing in a higher profile league and had a few impressive wins. Their college careers were just two different situations and I think JM's gave him a bit more of a media darling type. However, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows when talking about putting your money where your mouth is - the NFL draft prospect reports.

Manziel was listed as a risk by true scouts and the charlatan talking heads like McShay. Remember the Bill Bellichik leak?

Manziel fell to late first round, like it looks like SS will. So to say there are different vibes around them are different.

SS is >>>>>> Manziel as a pro prospect, but I can understand the red flags. I am just betting he performs better out of his dad's protection. I think he steps up and grows up as long as he has some patience.

SS did a lot for the CU program, but I think its better for his and CP's careers that it won't be father-son out there.
I was mostly comparing the national media and fan narrative throughout their respective seasons. I agree that when it came down to draft time, NFL people had their doubts and criticisms.

Most non-CU/Prime fans hated the way Shedeur carried himself once he got to Colorado.
 
What are the red flags with Shedeur?

Nothing wild. I do not think one can immediately dismiss commentary of a supposed NFL scout as racist because they don't agree with it. However, the anonymity certainly takes some cred away from the quote. So a small red flag will be these reports about his interview demeanor.

Beyond that:

- Took a lot of sacks, seemingly unnecessary at times even when you consider the OL

- The kNub & BYU games stand out as head scratchers

- His body language towards teammates during the kNub loss is a notable data point, albeit a data point (not a full blown narrative)

- Highest % of yards being YAC when compared against his peers.
 
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