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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

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Shedeur has to show well this year or hope the Browns have a really good year. Next year’s QB draft is stacked and the Browns have two 1’s next year to position themselves to move up
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Stacked?

It’s Arch (who we really know nothing about l, then…???)

At least that’s how I’ve seen analysts talking about it.u


All these dudes have a TON of work to do to be considered big time draft prospects.

There’s a reason Nussmeier is still in college.
 
MtnBuff said:
Watson has addition accusations against him. Even if he wasn't facing his legal/personal conduct questions he wouldn't be a factor.

I posted before. He ruptured the Achilles for a second time and had another surgery on it. He would be back late in the season at the earliest and more likely won't even be physically able to play in the 2025 season. For a QB who relies on his legs this isn't good news, even coming back after missing a full season most athletes require another season to get back to as close to healthy as they will end up.

I've linked this before

https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-achilles-injury-0f455df4e71ec8e771a9a89f5b683759
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How is he at subtraction?
 
My wife read that two teams said that Shedeur came across as unprofessional and disinterested in his interviews.

I’ve seen him interviewed several times and, yeah, he has a certain delivery that may seem that way to some interviewers. But I think they are totally misinterpreting him.

I’ve interviewed job prospects and know for a fact that interpreting qualifications based on an interview is tenuous at best.
 
Rumor is Jimmy Haslam forced the Sanders pick. If true the GM and coach are skating on thin ice. Not good if the owner is questioning WTF you are doing.
 
Da Lama said:
This might not be as dumb a move by Cleveland as we think. They have the #5 pick next year and will likely have their own Top 5 pick because they're gonna suck a$$ again in 2025. Play through all these QBs next season then determine if you have "THE GUY". If not, dump 4 of them and draft a QB again.
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If they were concerned with Shedeur's entitled attitude and just handing him the keys, this is definitely a way to light a fire and make him work for it
 
There's an extremely good possibility that Haslam burns the staff to the ground after 2025. And you know who just might very well be standing in the ashes ready to rise.
 
Reflecting on the theory that SS's drop was due to the NFL teams colluding due to a rascism intent, I guess that's possible, but I think there are other explanations.

Seems to me there's a good chance that these GMs, without collusion, started seeing his draft stock fall rapidly and correspondingly adopted the strategy of "let's wait until it starts to plateau." I liken this to a Wall Street trader watching a company's stock free fall but waiting until it gets close to the perceived low rather than buy earlier at a higher price.

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just suggesting there's explanations that fit at least as well as colluding malice.
 
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hokiehead said:
Reflecting on the theory that SS's drop was due to the NFL teams colluding due to a rascism intent, I guess that's possible, but I think there are other explanations.

Seems to me there's a good chance that these GMs, without collusion, started seeing his draft stock fall rapidly and correspondingly adopted the strategy of let's wait until it starts to plateau. I liken this to a Wall Street trader watching a company's stock free fall but waiting until it gets close to the perceived low rather than buy earlier at a higher price.

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just suggesting there's explanations that fit at least as well as colluding malice.
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Maybe, but I'd lean more toward 75% of the coaches/GM/scouts in this league really have absolutely no clue what they're doing. Couple that with giant egos for no reason and you get a weird dynamic.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
Rumor is Jimmy Haslam forced the Sanders pick. If true the GM and coach are skating on thin ice. Not good if the owner is questioning WTF you are doing.
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JMBuffs said:
If they were concerned with Shedeur's entitled attitude and just handing him the keys, this is definitely a way to light a fire and make him work for it
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This might be a time when the owner stepping in and forcing a pick may be the right thing.

If Haslam told them, "This team has sucked for years and we just earned the #2 pick in the draft by being terrible. You think the answer to our QB situation is Joe Flacco on his last legs and a midget you reached for in the 3rd round that nobody else had rated higher than the 6th. I don't care if you think he is entitled or are afraid of his dad or any of the other garbage, there is a 1st round talent on the board and we are taking him, make it work or I will find people who can." then he did the right thing.

Shedeur has proven he can play and he has proven he will work. Browns coaches didn't have close to a better answer.
 
Da Lama said:
Yeah, the Browns screwed themselves with that pick. Might be the oddest/worst pick of that draft. But...Browns doing Browns things.
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I may be wrong, but I think the Browns took SS with intent to trade him early, rather than develop him. I do think some teams were seriously interested in SS, but as things shook out, maybe teams were not interested in bringing him in as the anointed backup/starter expected to debut in year 1-2. This sort of alleviates pressure for SS to reset/develop without a huge spotlight, and relieves an NFL franchise of pressure not to play him right away or another early round draft bonk. If that is the case, as things wind around, I think Browns may trade SS to a better fit and get some picks or a player in return. Their QB room is a sh** show, so they could be trading/cutting a bunch of QBs. Flacco will probably start. The drafting of Gabriel is a real head scratchier, unless they need to dump that contract.
 
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hokiehead said:
Reflecting on the theory that SS's drop was due to the NFL teams colluding due to a rascism intent, I guess that's possible, but I think there are other explanations.

Seems to me there's a good chance that these GMs, without collusion, started seeing his draft stock fall rapidly and correspondingly adopted the strategy of let's wait until it starts to plateau. I liken this to a Wall Street trader watching a company's stock free fall but waiting until it gets close to the perceived low rather than buy earlier at a higher price.

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just suggesting there's explanations that fit at least as well as colluding malice.
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I’m just not sure how you play the race angle when Ward and Milroe are black, and Gabriel is poly.
 
Da Lama said:
Maybe, but I'd lean more toward 75% of the coaches/GM/scouts in this league really have absolutely no clue what they're doing. Couple that with giant egos for no reason and you get a weird dynamic.
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All it takes is a look over the list of high draft choice QBs over the past 10 years who never amounted to much and you can see that those people don't know close to as much as they pretend they do.
 
Da Lama said:
There's an extremely good possibility that Haslam burns the staff to the ground after 2025. And you know who just might very well be standing in the ashes ready to rise.
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Eh, if it's the case that the GM and coaching staff didn't want him but were forced to take him, it's not a good place to be in if you are SS.

I worked a job where the owner liked me but my direct report did not. It takes a strong mental fortitude to get thru that. It worked out for me in the end, and I even had the owner apologize to me(and a raise and promotion) when all was said and done, but it's not something I would wish on a kid. Not everyone is cut out to survive in that environment, and to have to deal with that with the whole world watching and the pressures of professional sports on top of it...ugh.

If it's true that this pick was forced from ownership, I feel really bad for SS.
 
MtnBuff said:
All it takes is a look over the list of high draft choice QBs over the past 10 years who never amounted to much and you can see that those people don't know close to as much as they pretend they do.
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On the one hand it can be said that the NFL establishment are idiots with no clue, but on the other hand, I think projecting an NFL QB (whatever round) is a very inexact science. It is a huge jump from college into the NFL. Who is entering year 4 with a 4-2 playoff record? Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant. If all of PB's play-makers did not get hurt, they could have been in the playoff hunt last year. It is not just the playoff record, but that is 6 games in the playoffs.
 
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