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2015 Coaching Carousel

Highlander said:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...mu-willing-to-pay-mack-brown-4-million-a-year

I think it is a good move. SMU would instantly get a massive bump in recruiting and would get back to regular participation in bowl games. Whether it translates to a Big 12 invite is a completely different story. Nothing in it for TCU, F***Bailer, UT, or OU - I don't think it would get the votes.
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If they can swing it, its a great move. I've given the guy plenty of grief, but he is possibly the best recruiter in college football. He has a long history of guiding talented teams to top ten rankings. His problem is less than stellar coaching to push them over the top. Any team whose fan base doesn't expect to be in the title game every year could benefit from him.
 
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The real question with Mack Brown is does he still have the fire to coach and work. I think he got lazy in his recruiting after they won the MNC. Maybe getting bounced at UT will get him fired up. SMU has a built in recruiting advantage being in Dallas. You could do a lot of recruiting just on your lunch break.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
If they can swing it, its a great move. I've given the guy plenty of grief, but he is possibly the best recruiter in college football. He has a long history of guiding talented teams to top ten rankings. His problem is less than stellar coaching to push them over the top. Any team whose fan base doesn't expect to be in the title game every year could benefit from him.
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I disagree with that. I think he's an above average recruiter who was recruiting to the easiest school to recruit to in all of college football.
 
Idk, it depends on what kind of staff Brown could get. I didn't see him do much coaching at the end at Texas. It was kind of like a Bowden type of situation to me, just a figure head. Is that what SMU needs? It would help it some areas I guess.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
I disagree with that. I think he's an above average recruiter who was recruiting to the easiest school to recruit to in all of college football.
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Mack Brown has always been a great recruiter - he was known as a consummate recruiter as an assistant and then at both Tulane and North Carolina. When he got to Texas it was like hitting the Jackpot. Recruiting to the school most Texans wanted to play for in a talent rich state.
 
EddieCrowder said:
The word in DFW yesterday was that SMU has offered Mac Brown 4mill per with an 8yr contract. Mac is 63 this seems like desperate measures for the Ponies, but the hopes are the Big XII actually expands to 12 and they have a favorite son in Mac.
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This move would seem to be consistent with recent SMU hiring practices. The move to get Larry Brown in basketball has worked out incredibly well for that program.
 
If SMU can get Mack Brown, they shouldn't hesitate. Major coup for them if they can pull it off.
 
BlackNGold said:
The real question with Mack Brown is does he still have the fire to coach and work. I think he got lazy in his recruiting after they won the MNC. Maybe getting bounced at UT will get him fired up. SMU has a built in recruiting advantage being in Dallas. You could do a lot of recruiting just on your lunch break.
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BuffLuKe said:
Idk, it depends on what kind of staff Brown could get. I didn't see him do much coaching at the end at Texas. It was kind of like a Bowden type of situation to me, just a figure head. Is that what SMU needs? It would help it some areas I guess.
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There is absolute merit to both points here. I would anticipate a pissed off, fired up Mack Brown with chip on his shoulder to prove UT made mistake. I still don't see it being enough for them to make runs at the BCS playoff, but considering where SMU has been for the past 20+ years, it would be a wild upgrade.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
If they can swing it, its a great move. I've given the guy plenty of grief, but he is possibly the best recruiter in college football. He has a long history of guiding talented teams to top ten rankings. His problem is less than stellar coaching to push them over the top. Any team whose fan base doesn't expect to be in the title game every year could benefit from him.
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MB is not a "great" coach, not a "real" coach. I'm not even sure he understands the game, but as head of the Texas program, his best 10 year run at Texas produced a national championship, playing for another (starting QB got knocked out in the first drive) and the most wins of any team in that 10-year stretch. Texas before Brown was crap for 15+ years....and look at Texas now. MB has his faults and was worthless the last 4 years at Texas, but you can compare his 10-year run with all but a few of the best ever. Top ten best decade-long stretch of any team in modern football.
 
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The London situation at UVA is getting interesting again. They've dropped 2 straight, including a devastating home loss to UNC. Now 4-4 with @GT, @FSU, Miami, @VT remaining. 6-6 looks difficult now. Personally, I think they keep him with 5-7, but if the Hoos lose these next 4 and end 4-8 with 6 straight losses, he has to go. He can only play the recruiting card for so long...
 
Highlander said:
There is absolute merit to both points here. I would anticipate a pissed off, fired up Mack Brown with chip on his shoulder to prove UT made mistake. I still don't see it being enough for them to make runs at the BCS playoff, but considering where SMU has been for the past 20+ years, it would be a wild upgrade.
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MB is rich beyond imagination and has zero chance at winning a championship at SMU. Plus he's fairly old and seems even older than his actual age. What is the motivation? What's the point? It's hard to sustain the pissed off motivation when you're really rich, old and have already reached the top of the mountain.
 
BuffLuKe said:
Idk, it depends on what kind of staff Brown could get. I didn't see him do much coaching at the end at Texas. It was kind of like a Bowden type of situation to me, just a figure head. Is that what SMU needs? It would help it some areas I guess.
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SMU should go big or go home. And we all know how "going big" worked out for them in the 80s.

I think they are probably better served dropping to division 2 and making it more of a true student-athlete program. They could try to do the Baylor and TCU thing, but why?
 
Colorado Track Fan said:
MB is rich beyond imagination and has zero chance at winning a championship at SMU. Plus he's fairly old and seems even older than his actual age. What is the motivation? What's the point? It's hard to sustain the pissed off motivation when you're really rich, old and have already reached the top of the mountain.
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People are motivated by different things. Money is not always the number driver in personal decision making, especially when pride and possibly feeling like he was fired inappropriately at UT.
 
Highlander said:
People are motivated by different things. Money is not always the number driver in personal decision making, especially when pride and possibly feeling like he was fired inappropriately at UT.
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That drive is likely tempered when you are rich, old and have already won a national championship. MB had a crap record for his last four seasons and was making over $5M for each of those seasons. Fired "inappropriately" is a bit of a stretch, even in his biased mind. He may not admit it to himself, but somewhere in his head he knows he got away with highway robbery in those last four years.

The risk/return and cost/benefit just doesn't add up for MB at SMU, but that's just an educated guess on my part. People do strange things.
 
leftybuff said:
I tend to think McElwain would jump at KU if he got the offer. Miss. St., ASU or some other mid level P5 school might be open too after the big dogs, UF, UM etc. poach their next guy. Miss. St. is the only SEC job that I think would look at McElwain right out of Ft. Fun. If he continues to roll, he'll be on a lot of short lists, and deservedly so.
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FWIW he's getting mentioned on VT message boards

http://chat.virginiatech.sportswar.com/message_board/vtfootball/2014/October/25/5579246.php
http://chat.virginiatech.sportswar.com/message_board/vtfootball/2014/October/25/5579123.php
 
Spurrier may be ready to hang it up at South Carolina. Sounds really burned out.
 
Duff Man said:
Spurrier may be ready to hang it up at South Carolina. Sounds really burned out.
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I can see that. Last couple years were tough on him. First seeing what happened to Lattimore then dealing with the circus around Clowney. Plus, he was never quite able to get over the hump.

Part of me thought he was the type of guy who could go on forever since he separated things so well. What other coach would miss a recruit visiting because he had a tee time to make? But he doesn't sound like he's been enjoying it any more.
 
I think people need to realize ASU is going to be very good next year as well. Graham is in a good spot.
 
Buffnik said:
I can see that. Last couple years were tough on him. First seeing what happened to Lattimore then dealing with the circus around Clowney. Plus, he was never quite able to get over the hump.

Part of me thought he was the type of guy who could go on forever since he separated things so well. What other coach would miss a recruit visiting because he had a tee time to make? But he doesn't sound like he's been enjoying it any more.
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Probably why he has not quite gotten over the hump at South Carolina.

Either way, that is a good job that will get a lot of interest whenever it comes open.
 
I mentioned Spurrier earlier in the thread.

He has some health problems, I've heard that it hurts just to walk from the locker room to the field. He also isn't in a position where he is likely to win a conference championship much less a national championship. He has probably reached the ceiling at S. Carolina.

It is a good enough program though that a lot of current P5 coaches would at least be interested in it.

Add the Michigan job, Florida job, and maybe one or two others and the cards could start to shuffle pretty fast.
 
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