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2015 Coaching Carousel

BehindEnemyLines said:
I don't think the population shifts have anything to do with 17 & 18 year old's perception of a school being or not being a being a desirable destination. Blowhio st and meatchicken still have exceptional support, great facilities, and a large and rabid fan base. Add the conference network to that mix and you still have attractive schools for young student athletes.

The big can't count conference itself has lost some luster by losing ooc and bowl games. That may be more a result of parity than anything else.
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It absolutely does. Those kids used to grow up in what we now call the rust belt. Many families have moved to southern locations and that is what the kids now know. Good weather, just as good if not better fan support than anything in the RB schools and facilities that match anything else out there. There is a reason the SEC has taken a giant leap forward and the BIG has stayed the same or regressed. They just don't have the overall talent pool that they did 20 years ago to pluck players from.

That is not to say there are no athletes in the northern areas. There are just much, much fewer. Then spread them out over the BIG and ACC schools and then what schools like Mijammi, UF, et al take from the RB areas, it's just that much harder.

Hey, come here to Lansing, Michigan. We have a week of fall and a week of spring. The rest is either brutally hot with high humidity and mosquitos the size of RV's or brutally cold but don't worry. The wind is always blowing. Or go to Florida.
 
4Dem is right, although it should be noted the West is experiencing rapid population growth as well.
 
Duff Man said:
4Dem is right, although it should be noted the West is experiencing rapid population growth as well.
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True. And I was not clear. I meant south as in just south. Anywhere from California to Florida. They are all south from the RB states. Not just the Dixie states.
 
4DemBuffs said:
It absolutely does. Those kids used to grow up in what we now call the rust belt. Many families have moved to southern locations and that is what the kids now know. Good weather, just as good if not better fan support than anything in the RB schools and facilities that match anything else out there. There is a reason the SEC has taken a giant leap forward and the BIG has stayed the same or regressed. They just don't have the overall talent pool that they did 20 years ago to pluck players from.

That is not to say there are no athletes in the northern areas. There are just much, much fewer. Then spread them out over the BIG and ACC schools and then what schools like Mijammi, UF, et al take from the RB areas, it's just that much harder.

Hey, come here to Lansing, Michigan. We have a week of fall and a week of spring. The rest is either brutally hot with high humidity and mosquitos the size of RV's or brutally cold but don't worry. The wind is always blowing. Or go to Florida.
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Duff Man said:
4Dem is right, although it should be noted the West is experiencing rapid population growth as well.
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And at one time the Big Ten, or at least certain schools in the Big 10 were seen as the Apex of college football. Kids from all over the country wanted to play there because playing in the Mich-tOSU game then going to the Rose bowl was the big deal. Not only did they have the cream of the crop in their region but kids from everywhere else wanted to come.

Now the local talent pool isn't as good comparatively and kids from elsewhere aren't as interested. They still get some but it isn't as easy as it once was and as time goes on and they get further from the glory years it isn't going to get easier.
 
Duff Man said:
It's not schools like Michigan and Ohio State who have to worry.
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No. I kinda think they do. Not the the extent of an Indiana or Syracuse but they still have to worry.

Hey come here and if we win, we get to spend a week in Southern Cal with great weather in December and play in the Rose Bowl.

Come here. You have that weather all year and we play 6 games a year at least in the Rose Bowl.
 
The weather is the same factor it was 20, 30, 50 years ago. Some kids don't care what the conditions are, others choose to escape the elements.

The growth of the southern and western states has had some play in kids either wanting to stay there, or to go there. The population shifts don't diminish the attraction of the individual schools in question.

The $ec has always had title contenders, going way back. Bama and lsu led the way for quite some time, with occasional forays into the national spotlight by the likes of florida, auburn, tennessee, and even georgia. What's changed for them is the media focus of the last decade. It seems the $ec network has had a bigger impact than the big 10 network. I think the media factor plays a bigger role than population movements.
 
MtnBuff said:
And at one time the Big Ten, or at least certain schools in the Big 10 were seen as the Apex of college football. Kids from all over the country wanted to play there because playing in the Mich-tOSU game then going to the Rose bowl was the big deal. Not only did they have the cream of the crop in their region but kids from everywhere else wanted to come.

Now the local talent pool isn't as good comparatively and kids from elsewhere aren't as interested. They still get some but it isn't as easy as it once was and as time goes on and they get further from the glory years it isn't going to get easier.
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Another factor was nailed by Joe Paterno: Consolidation of smaller High Schools into larger mega-HS. Back in the dayfor example, PA used to have 500 HS, each with their own FB team. Even if the schools averaged only 40 players per team, that 20,000 players in any given year and any kid with potential athletic talent could play. Now there's maybe 125 HS, averaging 80 players per team, meaning there's half the number out at 10,000.

Given that kids physically develop so unevenly during HS, that's a lot of potential that now isn't going to be recognized, developed or even seen.

You see in CO, with schools like Creek, 3,500 students with 125 out for FB. Before, those kids might be spread among four schools of 8-900, with each school having 60 kids out for FB; that's a difference of 240 vs. 125.
 
BehindEnemyLines said:
The weather is the same factor it was 20, 30, 50 years ago. Some kids don't care what the conditions are, others choose to escape the elements.

The growth of the southern and western states has had some play in kids either wanting to stay there, or to go there. The population shifts don't diminish the attraction of the individual schools in question.

The $ec has always had title contenders, going way back. Bama and lsu led the way for quite some time, with occasional forays into the national spotlight by the likes of florida, auburn, tennessee, and even georgia. What's changed for them is the media focus of the last decade. It seems the $ec network has had a bigger impact than the big 10 network. I think the media factor plays a bigger role than population movements.
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I think you are right about the media impact but I will submit that the population shift is a bigger factor. The family has moved to any southern state you can name and the kid can play there. They can watch the kid without having to get on an airplane. Why go back to Michigan, for example? Makes no sense other than they are kids and that is always a factor. They are often dumb. :smile2:

Look, there are probably 100 different reasons why the shift has happened. All can be argued as to their respective validity. I think in the south generally (again, from California to Florida) you have a better talent pool, better coaches, just as good or better fan support/facilities and better weather. Shoot, its December 28th here in Greenville and it is 60 degrees with light rain.

To me, I just think the population shift is the #1 reason. I would put the media at about 5 or 6 on that list becuse I view it as an after effect. The media goes to where the story is. The story is in the south with the better coaches and athletes.
 
Everything is a question of balance. The Big 10 used to be elite enough to overcome the weather issue, that is diminishing.

Kids also are much more exposed to various media that highlights the advantages of warmer climes. There are certainly videos and music set in Big 10 country but they don't exactly portray it as a desirable place to be. On the other hand you see these same media sources portraying the warmer climates with scantily clad girls, beach parties, etc. These have a strong appeal to teenage guys. Add to the images ranked football teams that are producing plenty of NFL draft choices and it becomes harder for the B1G to compete.

Doesn't mean they can't. Urban is certainly getting his share of talent to go to Columbus but overall the rest of the league isn't doing as well as they have historically. Michigan still has lot's going for it but who would have imagined that their last conference championship would have been in 2004 and having a number of frustrating seasons mixed in since.

Edit: 4Dem beat me in with his post.
 
I have seen the point stressed numerous times here on AB that Colorado has a transitory populus, and that any number of young prospects don't grow up with any "home grown" loyalty to the Buffs.

The same logic would apply with families moving out of the rust belt.
 
Harbaugh: "The organization will make an announcement regarding this (the Michigan rumours)."

Harbaugh is pretty much exclusively using past tense when talking about the Niners.

NFL guys are confirming the Niners and Harbaugh have decided to "mutually" part ways. This kind of makes me think it´s Michigan.
 
And presser Tuesday morning, appearance at bball game that afternoon, allegedly.

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Absent somebody leaping to the NFL, or a Utah meltdown, the HC carousel is over.

Reset.

SMU- June Jones out, Chad Morris in.

KU- Fat Charlie out, A&M WR coach David Beaty in, keeps Bowen as DC

NU- Pelini out, NU dials up the Mike Riley surprise. Pelini takes Youngstown St. job and gives NU the FU on his way out.

Buffalo- hired a DIII guy

Tulsa- Blankenship out, Baylor OC Philip Montgomery in.

UNLV- Hauck out, Bishop Gorman HC Sanchez in, takes Baer as DC, LaRussa as DB, Ced Cormier as WR.

UF- Muschamp out and reportedly headed to Auburn as DC, Sparkles is the new head gator.

Michigan- Hoke out, Harbaugh comes home for a big pile of $$$$$.

UH- fires Tony Levine, hires tOSU OC Tom Herman

Troy- Neal Browne replaces retiring Larry Blakeney.


CSU- first program to be poached, UGA OC Bobo takes the reins.

Oregon State- Mike Riley off to greener cornfields, in a huge surprise, OSU hires away Wiscy's HC Gary Andersen

Wiscy- Andersen bails to OSU...Paul Chryst, former Pitt HC takes over.

Pitt- Chryst out, so is AD Steve Pedersen. Pat Narduzzi, MSU DC takes over.
 
Best hire? Worst hire? Underrated hire? Best hire is Gary Andersen at Oregon State, closely followed by Harbaugh to Michigan. Worst hire is Beaty to Kansas. Underrated hire is Narduzzi at Pitt. Thoughts.
 
Best hire is Harbaugh by a mile in my opinion. Dude just knows how to coach and seems like he would be great in living rooms.

Worst hire has to be Sanchez as UNLV but he is cheap.

Most underrated has to be Chryst at Wiscy.
 
Duff Man said:
Best hire? Worst hire? Underrated hire? Best hire is Gary Andersen at Oregon State, closely followed by Harbaugh to Michigan. Worst hire is Beaty to Kansas. Underrated hire is Narduzzi at Pitt. Thoughts.
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Anderson is surely the biggest surprise, IMO. The Beavers made a statement with that hire. It was a quick hire, too. Less than a week after Riley bolts, they pull the trigger. That's impressive.

Harbaugh to UM has a lot of upside potential. The risk is that he keeps his eyes open for other opportunities. If his name starts popping up in another couple years when there are NFL openings, it could be an issue.

I'd say the worst hire was UNLV hiring the high school coach. I understand that the high school coach is a legend of sorts, but so was Gerry Faust. The epic-ness of the potential failure at UNLV won't be as obvious at a place like UNLV as it was at Notre Dame, but as we are all to familiar with - it's a HUGE jump from HS coach to college HC. To my knowledge, it's never been done successfully. This will be one to keep an eye on.
 
Reason why I say Andersen is Oregon State just lost their best coach in school history and got a quality coach to take a lateral move (at best). And got a decade younger at the position as well. For a job that is clearly not a destination job and the clear #2 job in the state, that's pretty amazing.
 
Duff Man said:
Reason why I say Andersen is Oregon State just lost their best coach in school history and got a quality coach to take a lateral move (at best). And got a decade younger at the position as well. For a job that is clearly not a destination job and the clear #2 job in the state, that's pretty amazing.
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I agree with your premise. I wonder, though, if you'd feel the same if Anderson hadn't gone to Wisconsin first. Had OSU hired Anderson straight from USU, would you feel the same? Anderson was only at Wisconsin for two years. Hardly enough time to really see if he was able to win with his players at that level.
 
Best Hire: Michigan, they got their man. Not quite Ohio State hiring Urban, or Saban to Alabama, but I think it has a similar high probability of success.

Worst Hire: UNLV is the worst hire, reeks of local cronyism, but it's UNLV, so the bar's not that high anyways.

So I'll add this as biggest head scratcher: Mike Riley. They fired a 9 win coach, and hired...a 9 win coach. I just don't see that Riley gives them what they aspire to be, other than being a really great guy after having to deal with Pellini.

Underrated: Narduzzi. Despite Pitt riding their own coaching carousel the last few years, they've still managed to not fall into a sh*t spiral, which is a feat in itself, and a testament to the potential of the program. Narduzzi can win there if he sticks around.
 
Duff Man said:
Reason why I say Andersen is Oregon State just lost their best coach in school history and got a quality coach to take a lateral move (at best). And got a decade younger at the position as well. For a job that is clearly not a destination job and the clear #2 job in the state, that's pretty amazing.
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Fully agree with this. Amazing coup that OSU pulled on this one.
 
NFL teams looking for coaches (so far)
49ers
Raiders
Jets
Bears
Falcons

You would think at least one of them will look to the college ranks, particularly with the recent success stories of Carroll and Harbaugh. The college coaching carousel may not be over yet.
 
In the Nubs/OSU/Wiscy/Pitt saga, hard to say that Wiscy wasn't the loser. If I'm a fan, I'd want to through old Barry a surprise retirement party.
 
So which college coaches might leave for the NFL openings? Mora and Brian Kelly are the ones I have heard.
 
So which college coaches could leave for NFL openings? Mora and Brian Kelly are the rumored ones.
 
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