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onealcd said:
I am just confused as to what you are trying to say. A program like OSU promoting from within is a very risky move when there are coaches out there that would kill for the job.
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Sure. Hiring a guy like Matt Campbell is about as risky, although he's been a head coach. I personally think he's extremely hot, but they also know Day very well, and they think he's very hot. In those cases, you go with the guy you know most times, and that's not surprising.

Should they have aimed higher and stolen a guy who's really proven at the P5 level over and above Campbell, to really minimize risk? That's a different debate that has some merit.
 
buffaholic said:
He did win National Assistant of the year there, so I think he must have had a good defense, no?
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By Duke standards, it seems he had shown impressive improvement (5 wins was their most since.. 1994?). But statistically, they were like.. 50th and 83rd in scoring defense, and it's a bit surprising the latter year was the one he won the award. I just don't know about how his resume gets him a SEC DC job if you aren't being blinded by a HC title (where his defenses were all over the place).
 
Buffnik said:
I agree.

Strangely, that seems to work better in the corporate world than it does with sports teams though. Other than Siefert taking over for Walsh in San Fran, I'm struggling to think of examples where passing the torch internally kept things rolling at the same level.
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Knute Rockne did alright.
 
buffaholic said:
Sure. Hiring a guy like Matt Campbell is about as risky, although he's been a head coach. I personally think he's extremely hot, but they also know Day very well, and they think he's very hot. In those cases, you go with the guy you know most times, and that's not surprising.

Should they have aimed higher and stolen a guy who's really proven at the P5 level over and above Campbell, to really minimize risk? That's a different debate that has some merit.
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How is hiring a guy like Campbell as risky as Ryan Day? A coach who has done what he has at ISU and is an Ohio guy is about as great a fit as there is.

Either way I am sure the AD discussed a lot of options and ultimately decided on Day last week, hence the reports that came out a day after rumors of his being Colorado's next coach.
 
onealcd said:
How is hiring a guy like Campbell as risky as Ryan Day? A coach who has done what he has at ISU and is an Ohio guy is about as great a fit as there is.

Either way I am sure the AD discussed a lot of options and ultimately decided on Day last week, hence the reports that came out a day after rumors of his being Colorado's next coach.
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We (collectively as a community) have had the debate many times about whether a HEAD coach at a lesser school (such as Iowa State) is more or less risky than a coodinator at a top school (OSU, UGA, Bama, etc). I tend to think that is not something that can be answered in a generic sense.
It depends on the candidate.

While I love Matt Campbell, he's an unknown to the OSU management. He never worked there. That's riskier typically than a guy they've watched do magic first hand. You may not buy that, but that is how the human mind works. They KNOW him!
 
buffaholic said:
We (collectively as a community) have had the debate many times about whether a HEAD coach at a lesser school (such as Iowa State) is more or less risky than a coodinator at a top school (OSU, UGA, Bama, etc). I tend to think that is not something that can be answered in a generic sense.
It depends on the candidate.

While I love Matt Campbell, he's an unknown to the OSU management. He never worked there. That's riskier typically than a guy they've watched do magic first hand. You may not buy that, but that is how the human mind works. They KNOW him!
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Well you are changing that argument quite a bit. The argument was about a G5 coach vs. a P5 coordinator, not a coach who has taken a bottom tier program to finish 3rd and 4th in the Big-12 the last two years while upsetting multiple ranked teams. There is no real debate about that one, he is competing against the best of the best.

Going with someone you know on staff is the easy way out, if that is what you are trying to say then I agree with you. That doesn't mean it is the best choice. And let's not sit here and act like they don't know anything about Campbell, he was in Ohio from 2005-2015, I am sure they are plenty familiar with him. You act like he is from the other side of the country unknown to anyone in that program.
 
buffaholic said:
Sure. Hiring a guy like Matt Campbell is about as risky, although he's been a head coach. I personally think he's extremely hot, but they also know Day very well, and they think he's very hot. In those cases, you go with the guy you know most times, and that's not surprising.

Should they have aimed higher and stolen a guy who's really proven at the P5 level over and above Campbell, to really minimize risk? That's a different debate that has some merit.
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What do you consider to be aiming higher than that? Campbell has two 8 win seasons at a program in three years that has historically been one of the worst in the P5. Ames, Iowa isn't exactly the easiest place in the world to recruit to either, as I'm sure the people who went to CU road games in that town can attest to-Matt Campbell can flat out coach, and he could be more interested in the NFL or flat out happy where he is-Cyclone fans are very nice people who are happy AF when they're having results like they are now or when McCarney peaked there in the early 2000s.

As far as Urban, I'd bet he goes into TV for at least next year. Seems like a dude who would miss the game too much, and he was decent the last time he did that.
 
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ahoelsken said:
What do you consider to be aiming higher than that? Campbell has two 8 win seasons at a program in three years that has historically been one of the worst in the P5. Ames, Iowa isn't exactly the easiest place in the world to recruit to either, as I'm sure the people who went to CU road games in that town can attest to-Matt Campbell can flat out coach, and he could be more interested in the NFL or flat out happy where he is-Cyclone fans are very nice people who are happy AF when they're having results like they are now or when McCarney peaked there in the early 2000s.

As far as Urban, I'd bet he goes into TV for at least next year. Seems like a dude who would miss the game too much, and he was decent the last time he did that.
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Being the head coach at ISU is not the same as the head coach as OSU.

That's a major step, and all the arguments about a G5 coach not being right for CU should apply to the Ohio St situation.

And I am Matt Cambells biggest fan.

Ohio St went with a guy that they know and they think he's a superstar.
 
buffaholic said:
Being the head coach at ISU is not the same as the head coach as OSU.

That's a major step, and all the arguments about a G5 coach not being right for CU should apply to the Ohio St situation.

And I am Matt Cambells biggest fan.

Ohio St went with a guy that they know and they think he's a superstar.
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Jim Tressel got that job out of Youngstown State and he won a national title there.
 
buffaholic said:
Being the head coach at ISU is not the same as the head coach as OSU.

That's a major step, and all the arguments about a G5 coach not being right for CU should apply to the Ohio St situation.

And I am Matt Cambells biggest fan.

Ohio St went with a guy that they know and they think he's a superstar.
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Other than there being a huge difference between the two. Campbell is already competing with programs like Ohio State at his current job. G5 coaches do not compete with CU or any other program so comparing a G5 to CU jump to a P5 to OSU bump doesn't make sense.
 
Matt Canada is done at Maryland (footballscoop says Locksley wants Josh Gattis as his OC)-that's another splashy OC idea for us.
 
onealcd said:
Other than there being a huge difference between the two. Campbell is already competing with programs like Ohio State at his current job. G5 coaches do not compete with CU or any other program so comparing a G5 to CU jump to a P5 to OSU bump doesn't make sense.
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So ISU is recruiting in the same pool as OSU? Because that's the major point people successfully made.
 
ahoelsken said:
Jim Tressel got that job out of Youngstown State and he won a national title there.
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Yup. Never said there's not tons of examples of all kinds of successes and failures frorm all walks. In fact that was my point! Simply that the decision makers at OSU know Day and they don't know Campbell. No telling who may have been best. Jeeeezus .
 
buffaholic said:
So ISU is recruiting in the same pool as OSU? Because that's the major point people successfully made.
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True, but last thought on this from me-If Campbell can win 8 games with the kind of talent that Iowa State gets.......imagine what he could do in Columbus.
 
Didn’t it come from Campbell that tOSU was his dream job? I thought he even had contract language or something with ISU.
 
Buffnik said:
Didn’t it come from Campbell that tOSU was his dream job? I thought he even had contract language or something with ISU.
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Campbell is an Ohio guy. Coached at Perry High School, Bowling Green, Toledo, and Mount Union. If you are an Ohio guy, OSU is your dream job.
 
ahoelsken said:
Matt Canada is done at Maryland (footballscoop says Locksley wants Josh Gattis as his OC)-that's another splashy OC idea for us.
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I'd take him for sure. Also, if I am Michigan I am calling him tomorrow, an offense that can move the ball against Ohio State this year would have given them a fighter's chance. Jim's 1979 offense is not going to win the B1G.
 
b3buffs said:
I'd take him for sure. Also, if I am Michigan I am calling him tomorrow, an offense that can move the ball against Ohio State this year would have given them a fighter's chance. Jim's 1979 offense is not going to win the B1G.
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I don't think many Maryland fans think he is a great OC. To me that's a big red flag.
 
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