In marketing it's not close. Let's see how the actual football goes but lots of reasons to be optimistic
AllBuffs | Unofficial fan site for the University of Colorado at Boulder Athletics programs
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
Prime Time. Prime Time. Its a new era for Colorado football. Consider signing up for a club membership! For $20/year, you can get access to all the special features at Allbuffs, including club member only forums, dark mode, avatars and best of all no ads ! But seriously, please sign up so that we can pay the bills. No one earns money here, and we can use your $20 to keep this hellhole running. You can sign up for a club membership by navigating to your account in the upper right and clicking on "Account Upgrades". Make it happen!
2019 Buffs Football hype thread
- Thread starter Highlander
- Start date
I know everyone hates the Post, but their Buff coverage is noticeably better. They regularly run stories even in the off season.
Bliff Cranch
Well-Known Member
I can’t think of a single concern I have with what HCMT has done, and has continued to do since he arrived.
I recall getting a weird vibe from HCMM from very early on - he just had a strange nervousness around the media. He didn’t like it. His coach-speak was odd, always awkward.
I recall getting a weird vibe from HCMM from very early on - he just had a strange nervousness around the media. He didn’t like it. His coach-speak was odd, always awkward.
Mick Ronson
Well-Known Member
grain of salt for sure but weirder things have happened than someone liking what they see and wanting to stay in Boulder....my credulity isn't overwhelmed (like Rick wanted to be the "JoePa of CU", let's say)....i came up from the Springs to hang with a buddy for a summer in 1990 and stayed for 28 years.
these things happen.
It all depends on how he does. If he gets Colorado rolling again there is no reason to leave. If he is struggling through a bunch of 6-7 win seasons then he will probably move on.
If he has success here along the same lines as Whittingham at Utah, it’s going to come down to his personal desire to move on and coach a program that can consistently make it to the next level. Whittingham seems content with it, but would Tucker? Even if he gets CU back to a fringe national contender like Washington, would he jump at the SEC/ACC/BIG offers he would receive?
Zapata
Well-Known Member
I'm thinking the exact opposite: If he struggles, he'll stick around for as long as Colorado we'll have him or until it can afford the buy-out. If he kills it, I could see him jumping for an SEC opportunity.
I think Colorado is one of those programs where if you are doing well the pay will increase enough to keep him around, it’s just not a program that can throw a bunch on money at someone without a proven record.
Everyone thinks he is an SEC guy but he is just as much of a Midwest guy. The only problem with Colorado is the lack of local talent to recruit from but he takes that challenge head on and actually believes in the university so I don’t think he will jump for any job in the south like mac would have.
Agreed. He’s held out this long to become a HC that he isn’t going to jump from CU for any job. My “concern” in this regard is the next two seasons being moderately successful here and a program like Auburn, LSU, FSU, etc opening up and it being way too enticing from a salary and resource/recruiting standpoint.
If he has Colorado consistently at the top of the PAC there aren't a lot of "better" jobs out there. There are jobs with crazy expectations, there are jobs were a black coach would be much less welcomed (at least behind the scenes,) there are jobs with pushy donors.
Recruiting is a little tougher at CU than some other places but if he's winning he will have already proven he can recruit effectively to CU.
Every program has it's negatives. If Tucker and his family are comfortable in Boulder and he is winning I don't know how many other programs would truly look better to him.
A bigger concern might be if after a few years on the recruiting grind and having to be the face of the program and all the rest of the non "coaching" things that come along with being a college HC does he follow the lure of the NFL dollars.
Recruiting is a little tougher at CU than some other places but if he's winning he will have already proven he can recruit effectively to CU.
Every program has it's negatives. If Tucker and his family are comfortable in Boulder and he is winning I don't know how many other programs would truly look better to him.
A bigger concern might be if after a few years on the recruiting grind and having to be the face of the program and all the rest of the non "coaching" things that come along with being a college HC does he follow the lure of the NFL dollars.
Trufflesauce
Well-Known Member
Colorado’s in-state talent is getting better every year and the population continues to boom. It’ll never be on the level of Texas or California, but there have been quality linemen lately.
Regardless, I don’t think he’s at all bothered by the amount of in-state talent with his approach to recruiting. He’s said many times that there is a lot to sell here to recruits nationally.
Yeah those jobs are always a concern with what Colorado is as a program but I think I’m more worried about a Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc. we will see. There is no reason to leave Colorado if you have things going the right way, atleast in my opinion.
Yeah it’s getting a lot better but there is still a stigma around those guys leaving the state for some reason, similar to arizona. This 2020 class is a perfect example. Hopefully it changes soon but Colorado is still a recruiting job primarily.
Can’t see Wisconsin or MSU moving on from Chryst or Dantonio, but Ohio State is a true wild card if Day doesn’t keep them in the CFP conversation each season.
Trufflesauce
Well-Known Member
I think that will change as soon as we’re making bowl games consistently (at the very least). The 2020 class has seen the ups and downs of CU, so they’re choosing programs that bowl annually.
Tucker getting in front of the local media is definitely aimed at turning that negative perception around.
Zapata
Well-Known Member
Anybody see Whittingham or Peterson, arguably the Pac's two most respected coaches, getting/accepting job offers in the SEC/ACC?. I don't, they'd be fish out of water. Tucker wouldn't be though. There're worse problems to have than a successful coach being poached. Winning makes everything better.
Yeah I can’t either but you never know in college football. I almost put Iowa in there but he has such a huge contract I can’t see it. Maybe a Minnesota/Maryland/Indiana type job would entice him? Not sure but I would be worried.
Let’s hope man.
I think Wittingham would thrive anywhere because he is that good but would obviously do better on the west side of the country. Peterson is different so I think he would need a job in a smaller market SEC wise to be comfortable.
I see Minnesota/Maryland/Indiana as a step down from CU, and Iowa on the same level, assuming he is successful at CU. Obviously those programs might have a little more money to throw at him, but CU shouldn’t be losing successful coaches to any of them.
Easy there. HCMM did what we needed at the time. He helped get the dumpster fire extinguished and started The Rise. His uneasiness with the media is probably because he came from a program that was out of the spotlight. I think he was true to who he was. I don’t think he ever tried to be someone else. He’s just not a “bad ass” like some people prefer.
It's all about winning. If MT doesn't win, we will be ridiculing his very coach speak in review. Hell, Embree was firing up the boards as well before the first season.
I'm optimistic about MT, but will see the product before I get too excited.
I'm optimistic about MT, but will see the product before I get too excited.
Wait and see mode, eh? Classic AllBuffs
Good post.
HCMM made a huge step with the program. He took us from an embarrassing display that regularly got beat by 40 points as other coaches tried to take their foot off the gas to a program that consistently and frustratingly was losing games by fairly close margins within one or two scores.
We went from maybe the worst program in FCS, worse even than the G5 schools to a program that belonged on the field with all but the top P5 programs.
MM is a good man who treated his players and others with dignity and respect. His failings have been frequently and thoroughly detailed including an unwillingness to cut dead wood in his staff and an abject failure to put the emphasis needed on recruiting the talent needed to win in the PAC 12.
He left HCMT with a much better program than the one he took over. Yes it was time to move on and yes he should not have been given a contract extension with that kind of a buy out to remove him but I don't blame him for signing it.
Now it is time to move on and up.
Zapata
Well-Known Member
Sure about that? It's estimated that the Big Ten distributed $50 million to each of its member schools with full revenue share in 2018 that versus the Pac @ $32 million.....thanks Champagne Larry! It's ludicrous that a school in Lafayette, Indiana with the no. 188 TV market commands 60% more TV money than CU, with the 17th ranked TV market....not to mention LA , the no. 2 market. So yes, Iowa can afford to pay its coaches much more than what CU can. Albeit, the ACC distribution was just $28 million each,, so there's that.
Per Mercury News:
Fiscal Year 2018
Big Ten: $50+ million (projected)
SEC: $43 million (projected)
Big 12: $36.5 million (projected)
Pac-12: $32 million (projected)
ACC: $28 million (projected)