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2019 Pac-12 Tourney
- Thread starter Buffnik
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ASU taking control of this one, took them a bit.
I will say that basketball is the most difficult of the major team sports to officiate. They don’t generally have the benefit of replay and they have to make calls instantly.
Wow, ASU was up 9 and I turned it to a movie. Turn it back and it's in overtime with Oregon up 7.
seattlebuff
Well-Known Member
Tad has all the pieces to have a very special year next year ... except one. We have to find a guard that can penetrate. That was the absolute difference tonight. I don’t know if it was fatigue or the shoulder, but Kin just was hesitant to go to the hole all night and break down the zone. Without that threat, we were in trouble.
Think this was linked on the site before but worth looking at again.
https://www.9news.com/article/sport...story/73-2394cdb6-0d42-4bf5-9623-eee01d8c9aab
Some people go through life, this guy is grabbing life and taking it with him.
Thankfully most of us will never face what he has already in his life. With his attitude it will be interesting to see what he does after basketball. I'm betting it will be something special
https://www.9news.com/article/sport...story/73-2394cdb6-0d42-4bf5-9623-eee01d8c9aab
Some people go through life, this guy is grabbing life and taking it with him.
Thankfully most of us will never face what he has already in his life. With his attitude it will be interesting to see what he does after basketball. I'm betting it will be something special
I suspect that we will have to wait at least ten years to find out what he does “after basketball”.
Are we saying goodbye to the NIT at this point?
B_Walk
Cursed
Isn't Oregon winning a good thing for us? It opens up a spot in the NIT
Tractor
Club Member
I believe it's good for us because now hopefully 3 PAC 12 teams are making the tourney, so the PAC 12 (CU) will get more $$$.
I believe Oregon was already ahead of us in NET ratings, so they would have gotten a NIT spot ahead of us anyway, so it doesn't hurt our ability to get a NIT bid.
I believe Oregon was already ahead of us in NET ratings, so they would have gotten a NIT spot ahead of us anyway, so it doesn't hurt our ability to get a NIT bid.
It should cause the Pac-12 to get 3 teams into the Dance. It doesn't really open an NIT spot, though. Whichever at-large team's spot Oregon took will slide down to the NIT. Got to figure that the NIT will take a team from the Pac-12 though and we're the #4 team in the conference by a wide margin.
NET Ratings:
#45 Washington
#51 Oregon
#63 Arizona State
#66 Colorado
#87 Oregon State
#88 USC (but with a losing record and ineligible)
#93 Arizona
#105 Utah
#108 Stanford
#120 UCLA
#206 Washington State
#229 Cal
A bit depressing the PAC was this bad and we still could only muster a 5 seed and a semi appearance, a long with possibly being left out of the NIT.
You know this, but I'm posting it anyway.
Season of missed opportunities when the Buffs lost too many games when we had the better team.
@ San Diego -- had the game under control and turtled the final 6 minutes to lose by 6
vs Indiana State -- Maui tourney was bad basketball. Lost by 5 after having a chance to win at the FT line. Not just a loss, but caused playing a lesser opponent in the next round.
vs Hawaii -- same story as Indiana State
@ Stanford -- 6 point lead at halftime. Road demons in the 2nd half, getting boat raced 44-25 in 2H against a very mediocre team.
Oregon State -- 5 point lead at halftime. Lost by 2. That just can't happen at home against a team we're better than.
@ Washington State -- lost by 2, allowing a team that does 1 thing well (shoot 3 pointers) to shoot 10/19 from deep because the team didn't defend the perimeter
I'm not going to say a word about 3 losses to Washington. They're a better and more veteran team than us. No shame in losing at Arizona, Arizona State and Utah either. But the other 6 games I listed should not have all been losses. I don't think this year's CU team, with the youth and injuries, could have been expected to win all of those games. But 3 or 4 of them, including 1 in Maui to bump up the quality of competition and our SOS there? Absolutely. And if that happened we would be in the Dance.
Getting a split between San Diego and New Mexico on the road was good enough, no shame there. It was a frustrating loss for sure.
We should have never played Hawaii so I don't even count that game, or it'll piss me off too much.
Indiana St., Oregon St., and Wash St. were the games they just had to/should have won. They're at least a bubble team right now if they had taken care of business, and they would have tied ASU for 2nd place. I'm not sure how the tie breakers would have gone with ASU for the 2 seed.
From Febuary on this team was fun to watch at least.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I think we're in the NIT as a 5-6......I don't think you can take a team like say South Carolina over us-their league might be better collectively, but I think it goes back to the central problem with the NET rankings. The metric needs to be re-worked to make beating people mean more-I don't get why we're giving a team like that props and a possible NIT ticket because they played Virginia (lost by 17), Tennessee twice (lost both games by a combined 35), and Kentucky (lost by 28). Want that to mean something? Beat those teams.
I'd think it was a bit of both with Kin. Agree about breaking down the zone, too, especially when UDub extends it like they do. That Oregon PG made them pay for that last night.
Since I’m one to believe there is a reason to life’s events, I believe it was a blessing that he was ruled ineligible coming out of HS.
Bottom line is that I want consistency. If a crew is going to emphasize moving screens or throwing the wing out or dipping the shoulder or hand checking or whatever... call it early and continue calling it for 40 minutes.
My big complaint with the PAC-12 refs (who also do the other western conferences) is that I don’t think the 3-man crews are always together and on the same page. That leads to a lot of inconsistency. I also think it leads to more makeup calls stemming from differences of opinion within the crews.
This guy has us as a 6 seed potentially playing.........guess who.......Nebraska!!!
Yuk
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...this-weekends-action-etsu-san-diego-state-uvu
Tractor
Club Member
Another chance to beat Nebraska at their place? Sign me up
aghcsm
Well-Known Member
There should be a metric that includes performance against a better team, although the nuances of ‘final score’ are challenging. I like the effort to incentivize good competition vs padding the win column with guarantees. Will let you know when I figure out a better way. It is true that SC has no say over their conference schedule, and if their conference happens to be very good, they benefit without having taken any positive action.
Isn't that part of the net? I thought it had things like offensive and defensive efficiency, turnover and rebounding rates.
It does. Maybe what @aghcsm is looking for would be replacing a metric like final score margin and replacing it with something like "game control".
Or maybe like how for football we see "strength of record". Why not something along those lines that is "strength of scoring margin"? Something like that would give you significantly more for losing close to Duke versus simply playing them and losing by 30.