Not if a coach has an actual board to replace those casualties, i.e, the transfer portal.
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Not if a coach has an actual board to replace those casualties, i.e, the transfer portal.
I’m not giving a ton of credence to that stuff or using it as an excuse and I agree that paying for better coaches is the way to get better. Because CU seemingly isn’t willing to do that, I’m just saying that they can’t afford to run a program as clean as others if they want to win.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
15 years ago is when we decided that bad press was worse than bad football so I do see it as relevant. We stunk compared to our peers long before moving to the PAC 12.
A different conference, several head coaches, a different AD, a change to state law regarding assistant coaching contracts, a different President, and major facility upgrades are really the only things different.
hawg1
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It’s the only way to do it, legally.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Exactly, and trying to be a squeaky clean program who recruits solid character players to avoid embarrassing the CU administration seems like the one constant (with the exception of 1 season after which we quickly ditched those efforts).
I’m confused what you think the solution here is - you’ve said pay more for assistants which I think pretty much everyone agrees with, but where does that money come from? We’re either paying all we can afford which isn’t easily solvable or we’re being deliberately thrifty with the budget which I can’t imagine RG or any AD would stand for. Which is it?
My point is upping assistant pay and support staff is just about the only tangible solution being offered in this thread.
Being less "squeaky clean" means what exactly? "Toeing the line" in recruiting means what exactly?
“The soft bigotry of low expectations,” applies here.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
It may be a solution a year from now. Being less "squeaky clean" will still mean nothing.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
What’s going to change a year from now?
And what was Tucker doing that CU seems to be running the opposite direction from now?
Post-COVID budget and assistant coaching contracts will be up for renewal.
I honestly don’t understand how CU is so poor that they are literally within the bottom 10 P5 programs or so in assistant salary pool. How in the **** can Rick George make Karl Dorrell the highest paid HC in CU history and at the same time keep the AC pool stays the same?
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Why didn’t KD negotiate for a bigger pool? Or did he?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
We hired this staff pre-COVID, why should anyone believe the assistant pool is going up next year?
Maybe there’s a little more money for recruiting operations that were shut down due to COVID but unless we found new sources of revenue somewhere, that just takes us back to pre-COVID levels where we still were bad relative to peers.
We were also hiring in late February.
For all we know, the next DC is going to be making more than Summers did.
buffinbama
Well-Known Member
we are poor because we dont win, we dont win because we dont invest in coaches who understand that its about the jimmy and joes that are needed to run the x's and o's
The DC hire will be very telling in all this
And "the low spark of high heeled boys."
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Summers was not a late February hire really.
I’d be thrilled if next year we suddenly have more money for the assistant pool that we didn’t have with Hawkins or Embree or McIntyre or Tucker or Dorrell last year but I don’t share your confidence.
CU is not currently a good job but as Duff correctly states above there aren't a lot of great jobs out there.
CU is not far away from being a good job.
Coaching tenure would help but to get that they need better talent.
To get better talent recruit better, as Zach says focus on a level of players that would let us compete with "most" P5 teams. Get away from the G5 kids.
The way to do this is to have a coach and a staff that emphasize recruiting. Player development is a fantasy, nobody wins by turning a bunch of MWC recruits into a P5 team, Nobody wins emphasizing "hidden gems" and late bloomers. Recruit P5 quality players and you end up with a P5 roster.
Team identity and team culture only happen if you are winning enough games to have a positive experience for the players, goes back to talent which means recruiting.
Having a specific focus in recruiting can make you more effective. A lot of schools put an emphasis on the trenches and win with it. If you control the LOS you have a chance in almost every game.
Point is though that as long as they are willing to have a coach and staff that don't make recruiting priority #1, as long as they are willing to go cheap with assistants and hire guys who aren't highly motivated recruiters this program is going to be closer to the bottom than the top.
The things they need to do to become a good program don't require that they cheat, forget academic or behavioral standards, or turn the program into something CU supporters would be less than proud of.
What they do have to do though is decide that winning matters and be willing to make changes to get there.
A lot of dialog in here about football when we're clearly a basketball school.
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
how far are we from being UW in terms of resources? That seems like the place we should be trying to emulate as much as possible unless they're miles away in terms of resources
Joe Theismann's Leg
Well-Known Member
I never understood why schools like Utah or Wyoming were so successful, but we're not... apart from totally dropping the ball with some coaching hires/scandals... why aren't we on their level?
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
Yeah hopefully we can get to Wyoming's level soon
Utah I completely agree but Wyoming hasn't been that successful. Not that WR was referring to Wyoming...
Joe Theismann's Leg
Well-Known Member
God dammit. I'll just leave it up but I meant Washington. I'm multitasking... poorly
**** it, CU. Is now a basketball school now. Duke of football. Poor all resources into what Tad is doing.
I am not sure Football is worth it at CU anymore. The AD has quit on this program when they allow a coach to talk about 2 stars and what he can do with the. This staff is what they are and that is not a legit P5 staff.
I am not sure Football is worth it at CU anymore. The AD has quit on this program when they allow a coach to talk about 2 stars and what he can do with the. This staff is what they are and that is not a legit P5 staff.
A basketball ball school that hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in over 50 years
agree but having more success than football over the last decade. CU football is dying before our eyes